MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

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Hokwongwei » 14 minutes ago

According to the Apple Daily report (the written one, not the video) the cop actually was the first to make physical contact... by putting his night stick over the guy's neck.cNow, this was after a 10-km scooter race that took them all the way from Roosevelt Rd. to the cemetery in the mountains near Liuzhangli at 4 a.m. with a guy wasted beyond reason behind the handle bars, and he apparently repeatedly shouted obscenities at the cops as he ran.

The cop rammed his scooter (sort of), knocking him over, and then proceeded to put his nightstick around the guy's neck, to which the drunk not surprinsingly started fighting back. As he hopped back on his scooter, the cop opened fire -- not on the tire of the scooter or anything, but on the guy's lower body, piercing the thigh on one leg and the calf of another. I would personally call that excessive force, not to mention the disgusting angle that the news report took by praising the "brave cop" and blasting the "fat foreigner." That said, I don't really have sympathy for the guy because if he'd have driven away successfully, he likely could have killed himself or someone else. I just think the police definitely overstepped their bounds.

So read about aboit shooting flleing suspects who are a danger to either police or others.

Good on that cop for stopping a fleeing suspect who was a danger to other road users.

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Robert Muzha Man Kelly wrote: Zaire?

Tut tut tut. You surely mean The Democratic Republic of the Congo. You've gotta stop reading those outdated travel guides like Lonely Planet your write for.

[ROBERT MUCHA MAN KELLY]

Hokwongwei wrote: According to the Apple Daily report (the written one, not the video) the cop actually was the first to make physical contact... by putting his night stick over the guy's neck. Now, this was after a 10-km scooter race that took them all the way from Roosevelt Rd. to the cemetery in the mountains near Liuzhangli at 4 a.m. with a guy wasted beyond reason behind the handle bars, and he apparently repeatedly shouted obscenities at the cops as he ran.
The cop rammed his scooter (sort of), knocking him over, and then proceeded to put his nightstick around the guy's neck, to which the drunk not surprinsingly started fighting back. As he hopped back on his scooter, the cop opened fire -- not on the tire of the scooter or anything, but on the guy's lower body, piercing the thigh on one leg and the calf of another.

I would personally call that excessive force, not to mention the disgusting angle that the news report took by praising the "brave cop" and blasting the "fat foreigner." That said, I don't really have sympathy for the guy because if he'd have driven away successfully, he likely could have killed himself or someone else. I just think the police definitely overstepped their bounds.

Hmm. I didn't catch the chase part. That adds another dimension to this. I'm no longer so sure that shooting was entirely out of bounds. Someone resisting arrest to that degree (fleeing on a scooter and then fighting) can reasonably assumed to be up to no good.

I don't know about training here, but in Canada cops don't shoot at the legs. You shoot for the torso as it is the largest target (according to my RCMP bro-in-law). So you really only save it as a last resort.

[serial killer on parole]

Hmm. I didn't catch the chase part. That adds another dimension to this. I'm no longer so sure that shooting was entirely out of bounds. Someone resisting arrest to that degree (fleeing on a scooter and then fighting) can reasonably assumed to be up to no good.

I don't know about training here, but in Canada cops don't shoot at the legs. You shoot for the torso as it is the largest target (according to my RCMP bro-in-law). So you really only save it as a last resort.

Were you assuming John was just taking them on a ride to have a nice picnic?

Yes it was a last resort for a police officer here to shoot. That's the whole point and it says a lot about the thug who did this.

[serial killer on parole]

Novaspes

Please explain how expressing joy for a partial and preliminary good outcome for my friend within the terms of the law of this country goes with "championing him" and especially how it shows that I am proposing that his "great and wonderful deeds" in the long less than a year you have know him someone negate the severity of his vast recklessness..

Or do you really need me to spell it out for you again, maybe just to make you feel better? What my friend did was idiotic and wrong and the law is dealing with him according to local regulations. No one is bending the rules for him or trying to get him a "get out of jail for free" card. A number of people have expressed sympathy for John and willingness to help him come out of the shitty situation he put himself into. For reasons that I cannot fathom, this is something you don't seem to be able to accept (or even conceive), hence your taking cheap shots and creating "claims" (like the last attributed to me) in what looks like to me to be a desperate attempt to build a straw man argument (or maybe scenario) that you can righteously strike down. Give it a rest.

Your problem is that you expect everyone to have sympathy for John. I don't. He's not my friend and never has been. Just another expat who thinks he can tell war stories who thinks Taiwan laws don't apply to him. There are plenty of expats like that in Taiwan.

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The Social Assassin wrote:

I can't help but think how so many of you so chastised me for standing up for my friend so many years ago when he ran afoul of the law. In that case, he fessed up, cleared his friends of wrongdoing and took his punishment like a man. He didn't grass anyone. He didn't endanger any innocent lives with his actions. He went peacefully into that dark dark cell. And he is making the most of his time and has been an inspiration to many who know him in the long years since his incarceration.

Yet these very same posters are now doing the same thing I did and calling out those who question the "facts" of the case. How quickly the coin turns, nu? Look to yourselves dear expats. Reread your posts in the Matty threads and maybe you'll see how these skeptics (of which I don't count myself one) were once your very selves. NU?

Totally agree with Social Assassin. I'd say a lot of how one reacts is not based on right/wrong, but on their association with the person involved. That's fine, but let's freely admit those biases and the emotion that drives them.

When I think of tragedies in Taiwan, I think of Forand, Ma Ke, and now B2G. In the first case, most of the foreign community was very critical of Forand with Social Assassin being pretty much a lone voice of compassion. People were saying he deserved it, that he reaped what he sowed, and that he wasn't representative of most foreigners. In Ma Ke's case, people were also critical commenting on his perceived personality changes in the years before the accident, bannings on the website before his accident, the DUI angle etc.

I was critical of these incidents (although I donated quite a bit to Ma Ke's wife: can't imagine the strength that was needed to work, support a family, and take care of him in his final days), and I am critical of B2G. Drinking and driving or drug trafficking: both a big threat to public safety. Anyone with kids would agree. I can sympathize on a personal level while still agreeing with sanctions provide by the authorities and the right to free speech/commentary about each incident without personalizing it.

Now, with Bubba 2 Guns, there has been a lot more support because he was more well known within the community. That's fine, but people shouldn't be criticizing others that are looking at the incident objectively (through reason rather than emotion), especially considering the history where some of these very same people were quite critical of former expats that ran afoul of the law.

There is also Kevin Skelly and many other expats that have had nasty accidents from being drunk. One of my chess buddies Tom, a lovelly britsh chap came home drunk and had forgotten his keys. Climbed around to his balcony and fell 15 floors to his death. People gave his GF shit for letting him try to climb in, something he had done on many occasions before. His sister and brother also lived here and it was at CNY. I got hit by a drunk Canadian on a scooter, he was also unlicensed. His second bust that week for DUI and this time with an accident. No ARC of course when asked for one tried to give a fake name. He tried to take off and leave his passenger on the road. Complete sum.

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Novaspes wrote: I really would like to know this forum's fine posters' opinions about the total media silence about this (after Apple Daily splattered it around for a couple of days, that is).

Kind of unusual, no?

There's no fresh angle. The drunk driver appears to have admitted his guilt so what is there left to say? The tension is diffused.

[serial killer on parole]

Novaspes wrote: I really would like to know this forum's fine posters' opinions about the total media silence about this (after Apple Daily splattered it around for a couple of days, that is).

Kind of unusual, no?

There's no fresh angle. The drunk driver appears to have admitted his guilt so what is there left to say? The tension is diffused.

I'd say big john still has as lot of tension, in his legs.

Simply put there is no more news as this is just another daily road kill event and the media have more joyous events to post about. MAybe a follow up story when John gets his court hearing.

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Abacus » Today, 14:50

It doesn't sound like he should have been shot but he is a moron. Why aren't tasers more common in Taiwan? Guns seem unnecessary since very few people have them and traffic cops certainly don't need guns.

Well it's why I joined this forum not so long ago. I'm a complete moron. Guns are very necessary. I'm a gun advocate.

E04teacherlin

The guy raced away from the cops and got knocked over. Ran away and then resisted arrest which include being physical hence the use of the baton or whatever it was. He fought back sufficiently to get away from the cop and get back on his bike and got shot through the legs. He admitted guilt, it made the news and that's the end of it. Should he have been shot. Hell I don't know and actually I don't really care. I do hope though that it means less people will drive drunk here. If you do, we;re going to shoot you!

Unfortunately, there is no conspiracy. One could argue over it forever, but that's the story and that's what happened. Calling him a fat foreigner was uncalled for and indicative of the tasteless reporting of the apple daily. Nothing more nothing less. What I don't get is why some stupid passport story takes up the front page of today's papers. Is that all you've got guys. You could have reported more on this story just to let every foreigner feel like they are somehow being isolated and made to pay for every white guy's transgression in this little province of China.

I only resisted a littble bit, honest.

[big duke 6]

They should have shot him in the head for stupidity. Darwin would definitely have approved.