MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

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Lord Lucan wrote: The courts here have been very unpredictable in my experience. There is also the obstruction charge.

Well, the beautiful wife of Chen Shui-Bian (Wu Shu-Chen) "only" went to prison for a year for telling her kids how to respond to investigators in her corruption case. Scuffling with a police officer is probably a month of prison maximum (in most countries you won't go to jail for it unless someone is seriously hurt).

So what about the 10km chase and being a danger to the public. Remember the police can add charges as well.

This isnt just a simple DUI case of BAC .56

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Dr. McCoy » Today, 13:51

Let's be honest. How many people are thinking about shooting a Forumosan right now?

I'd like to shoot that Satellite TV guy. But as he no longer posts on forumease or Taiwanosa and he lives far away I guess I can't.

It's always on my mind though.

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LORD LUCAN WROTE: Has anybody seen the rabid festival of hate that is going on on Forumosa??? I have (really!) been present at full scale riots where more reasoned debate was going on. And to think that Taiwanese people read that sort of shite and then form some sort of opinion on me just because I'm a "foreigner" too! Genuinely shocking. I never knew there were so many childish stupid people living in Taiwan. I suppose the advent of the internet and online travel agencies has meant that any simpleton can now find his way to Taiwan and set up shop here. I have never seen in any country such an orgy of unrestrained self-hate directed by any expat "community" at itself.

It is especially interesting to note Americans making statements to the effect that because the police in America shoot everyone they try to arrest, therefore, as some sort of operation of loony logic, the same policy should pertain in Taiwan, despite this not being actually true of police in the US, most of whom end a shift with the same number of bullets they started with. I used to laugh at the Taiwanese for their world-view consisting solely of Taiwan and American and nothing else. The Taiwanese have moved on in the last 20-odd years. The posting population of Forumosa appears to be drawn almost entirely from the educationally sub-normal. It appears from Forumosa that some lunatic asylum in the States has at some point disgorged its population of redneck sociopaths onto a plane bound for Taipei! I wonder where the Forumosa vengeance-by-proxy competition will end up? Is there a prize for the first person to sentence our suspect to cruxifixion?

Yup. The internet will eat itself.

I see it as John being condemned for his actions. Your personal attacks and the intellect of the flob posters will be more than welcomed no doubt. Instead of you addressing the issue at hand you launch into an attack.

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Wow. What a hate-fest. I used to think the Mainland Chinese websites were the ne plus ultra of unfocused speculative hate, but I see Forumosa has upped its game. The shite posted on here makes the Apple Daily look like a bastion of journalistic integrity.

God help us if the deranged posts on this website are taken as any relection of the quality of foreigners now present in Taiwan. No bloody wonder some Taiwanese read this site and regard foreigners in Taiwan as the scum of the earth.

How embarrassing.

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Mr He wrote: Where I am from driving drunk would see you ostracised for a long time. Friendship and all that, but sheesh, Maoman I am so unimpressed with the 15 people chipping in and the general gist seen in the discussion here that words fail me.

Nothing, honestly, and I have done similar acts of kindness in the past. People have come to me directly or indirectly and asked for help. I helped, be it a loan to one, a donation to a few websites, a friend who crashed while driving drunk and was in hospital, I came there and looked out for him as well, since not even his wife wanted to.

However in all those endeavors, I have always kept one rule in my mind. Do not splatter the knowledge about who and where you helped all over the place. Criticize in public and help in private. What you do is at the end of the day between you and the person you help, and polishing your glory over it in public does nothing good. Any true friends of say John should gather up and give whatever help they can, however always keep it in private. Charity and help works best if given low key.

Frankly, given your astounding posts here on this topic, I would be surprised if any friends of the suspect are still reading your posts, let alone taking on board your patronising and sententious "advice" on what they should or should not do.

Jolly and all as it is, holding forth on the Great Moral Issues of the Day on an internet forum, the subject of this thread is a real person who is extremely repentent for making a serious error of judgement, has been shot and hospitalised, and now has his 22-year life in Taiwan in tatters.

I have a pithy moral aphorism for you: "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing."

[serial killer on parole]

by Mr He » Mon Aug 26, 2013 14:08

Lord Lucan wrote:

No. Mr He personifies that camp. Quite cringeworthy to read his posts, frankly.

Thank you! I consider this a badge of honor.

Lord Lucan wrote: Drink drivers, tailgaters, and car thieves cause a lot of deaths where I live. I have no sympathy for them. And if you are going to leg it from the fuzz, then there are certain consequences to be expected. Although in my opinion being shot from behind is not one of them that I find acceptable, which is my mere opinion. If that is the way the police roll here, than those who live here need to take that into account.

I agree, actually. Where i am from, the police hardly ever opens fire, as they have alternatives available. But again, here they will act differently, and again, foreigners are seen as treatening.

Lord Lucan wrote: I cannot fail to go in to bat for my friend, and I do find the arrest procedure completely OTT and unnecessary. However, it seems the prosecutor agrees with me, and for that small mercy we can be grateful. Once again a failure to adhere to police procedure (tackling a suspect one-one-one and not waiting for backup) has backfired upon the police because they now have no evidence to support any claim of assault. Why the camera was turned off just before the copper moved in for the arrest we don't know. Now it's a he-says-she-says and the law requires (in Taiwan too) that an accusation of a crime must be supported by evidence. Maybe the video will turn up if the police manage to find it. The suspect has a lawyer that comes highly recommended and all of this sort of thing is naturally left in the hands of m'learned friends.

Commendable, however again, as was said early, we did not know what happened during the chase, what does our shot friend have to say? He has been out a few days now, and well, does he blame the cop for shooting him?

Lord Lucan wrote: The minority who revel in other people's misfortune will be putting the champagne on ice I am sure for when the inevitable huge fine is handed down along with the deportation order. I find this a sad end to 22 years in Taiwan and nothing to be smug about, but others will have their own opinions. What would have been, say, a NT$90k fine is now a serious criminal matter. Oh dear oh dear. But what's done is done...

The changes to the law of the land should not be a secret, and anyways, ignorance of the laws is not a defence. Your friend brought everything, including the deportation order down on himself. If he had taken a taxi home, he could have been standing in front of a Taiwanese school class, now he is lying likely at home with a bullet hole in his legs. I feel sorry for him, however I see nothing but complete stupidity on his part.

Lord Lucan wrote: Part of my reason for being here is to try and monitor what's being said and try to give balance in my friend's favour if it is necessary. I've seen Taiwanese journos before reprinting as gospel nonsense posted on the internet, and that really doesn't assist the judicial process when it occurs.

They would not go to a rather small forum for that, would they? They can call their friends at the police and get the straight dope, right?

Lord Lucan wrote: To answer a question that was raised, and to be honest not an unreasonable one: No. There were no drugs involved. Not drug related. The guy was not carrying anything illegal on his person. The only matters the police are currently raising with the prosecutor's office are DUI and evading arrest (obstruction of a public official). No assault charge has been laid. The suspect has been released on bail without having to post a bail bond, has been allowed to retain his passport, and has a bar on leaving the country or changing his residential address.

Well, he will be barred from leaving the country, then get a few months in the slammer, and then kicked out. Until he is kicked out, he will not be able to leave. And so? Again, a taxi fare would have saved him.

Yes its rather weird how some people will got out on a drinnking binge, spend several thousand NT$ then whinge about a hundred or two hundred taxi fare home. They would rather risk a DUI accident, seriously injuring or killing others, than pay for a taxi.

Of course if their friends had raised NT$200,000 before he was busted and paid cab fares for him we wouldnt have this mess to discuss

I guess John would have just taken the money and got shifaced and rode home anyways.

[serial killer on parole]

Mr He » Mon Aug 26, 2013 15:18

Lord Lucan wrote: Frankly, given your astounding posts here on this topic, I would be surprised if any friends of the suspect are still reading your posts, let alone taking on board your patronising and sententious "advice" on what they should or should not do.

Whatever, and have one on the road. That's what I do, and well, I would have helped him if he mattered to me, however well, he does not. If they set up a facebook group for him... No, I would steer very clear of that, too many egos making their kindness known, and that, I cannot take.

Lord Lucan wrote: Jolly and all as it is, holding forth on the Great Moral Issues of the Day on an internet forum, the subject of this thread is a real person who is extremely repentent for making a serious error of judgement, has been shot and hospitalised, and now has his 22-year life in Taiwan in tatters.

Fine and good. Now see our friend running scared away from the cops while drunk on his scoot - see someone not getting away in time.
What would you say to the family of the deceased?

Lord Lucan wrote: "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing."

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Hey, it was Johns decision to ruin his life in Taiwan not ours. He's the one responsible for that. He's only repentent because he got caught. It's a ruse to get a lesser penalty is all. He hates any type of authority and his disdain for the Police here is well known.

Is he repentent for all the times he didnt get caught?

If John had managed to get away he would have been bragging about it to his friends.

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Lord Lucan wrote: Wow. What a hate-fest. I used to think the Mainland Chinese websites were the ne plus ultra of unfocused speculative hate, but I see Forumosa has upped its game. The shite posted on here makes the Apple Daily look like a bastion of journalistic integrity.

God help us if the deranged posts on this website are taken as any relection of the quality of foreigners now present in Taiwan. No bloody wonder some Taiwanese read this site and regard foreigners in Taiwan as the scum of the earth.

How embarrassing.

No different from the crap-fest you are presiding over on Taiwanease, other than more people are participating in this one. You have noted quite elegantly that this is the nature of the internet, and yet, you are a very experienced member of this site, one of it's first if I am not mistaken. So what's with the "Wow" factor? Are you really surprised? Or are you trolling? To me, that's the "Wow". You have never been a troll by any stretch of the imagination. Always a poster of great erudition, elan and eclat...... and humour. (First time I met you, I told you you were a funny fucker) So, please, tell me how is this thread any different from what's being said on Tease? Please show me how this is worse. Take what you deem to be the 5 most inflammatory posts from each site and put them up head to head. Mr. He has given you enough fodder over there to stand up against all our more negative HTTers.

What is embarrassing is for you to single out Forumosa when Taiwanease is just as guilty, if not guiltier of trolling, flaming, baiting and all around idiocy.

I respect how you've defended the truth about this incident (as you see it) and applaud your empathy. I greatly appreciate your sharing of inside information that cuts thru a lot of the crap. For instance, I had heard from 2 sources that he might have tried to take the cop's gun. I asked about it and was treated to a healthy does of ridicule not once, but twice by yourself and another poster of Tease eminence.....all for asking for clarification on this rumour. A simple "AFAIK< there was no attempt to go for the gun" would have sufficed. I do trust you and the other eminent source of ridicule far more than I trust Taiwan Lutiers and the local media. But did either of you answer my question with anything approaching "grace"? Since that time however, you've calmed down and started posting more like the Lord I remember. You've given me reasonable doubt that John ever went for the gun.

As you know, I was in your very same boots 8 years ago during another such hate-fest. I get how your nerves are frayed and as you read some of these posts (both sites), they cut you to the marrow. Believe me, I know. But you are one of the best posters to ever grace this site. Don't let the trolls of either site bring you down to their level. Let me suggest that instead of furthering the war of us and them with posts such as yours here today, you bring the same level of intelligence to this discussion that you've been bringing to the one over there all afternoon. And best of luck to your friend. I hope he can come out of this intact and a better man for his trials. I know Matty will.

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There's a good thread on Matty here if anyome wants to read it.

http://www.moronosa.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 5891044402

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There's a good thread on Matty here if anyome wants to read it.

http://www.moronosa.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 5891044402

I know Matty. I spent my holiday last CNY with him and a bunch of his friends in Bali. I have yet to meet a nicer guy in Taiwan. Now, I didn't know about Matty's involvment in the trade, but I am a pretty good judge of people and I would bet anything that he wouldn't sell to students, if he sells at all. Knowing some of the people on the inside, I have heard what actually went down. Matty was set up.

Funny how you claim matty was setup when he himself confessed and plead guilty. No wonder you got shit from other people on other forums. He's a drug dealer nothing more nothing less. That's why he's in prison.