MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[BLACKCRUSADER]

I can't agree. Discharging firearms against unarmed civilians over traffic offences is not a cop doing his job. I have no respect for cops who go to the gun at the first time of asking. Any twat can do that.]

Firstly you no nothing about why the cop shot your friend. A violent drunk attacking a cop after a police chase gets shot. So what?

Happens in Australia too.

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/tw ... 6334938397

[VAIN DEAN]

As someone of colour who was racially profiled in Taiwan as well I feel sympathy for this guy.

I will ask a human rights organization to follow this case closely as no doubt this guy will be convicted on tampered video evidence, like me.

[Bismarck]

I drove here for 8 years without a license and used to post how bad the drivers here are. Then one day I was DUI and had an accident and hit a young woman.

Totally my fault and I had to pay her off over a long period of time. Luckily it was way before the current laws or I would have been in much deeper trouble. I agreed to pay her damages and lost income. I ad no license but like most foreigners who would rant on about the locals because we all know us expats are above the law. Taiwan's laws don't apply to expats right?

[LORD LUCAN]

These Have-a-Go-Hero cops that get themselves into a handling they can only resolve with firearms are the stuff of the Wild West and Judge Dredd movies. And 2013 Taipei, it seems.

Whatever. It's all moot. Some people (often police academy rejects) love reading about the police beating the crap out of people and shooting "perps". I don't really give a shit. Some bloke went out, got pissed, rode a scooter, a cop pulled up beside him, the bloke didn't stop, big chase, bloke fell off, got battered, and then was shot as he was trying to get back on his scooter. Unbeaten-up policeman claims he was beaten up. Commendations all round. Deport the foreigner. Internet opinion divided. Nothing to see. Move along. Just another routine evening for Taipei's Finest and the Internet Guardians of Justice!

Yes. The guy's my friend. I am completely 100% biased. Did I not make that clear? Sorry, internet.

I love the title of the thread: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

That has to be the darkest sarcasm I've heard in a long time. Well done that man.

[chewycorns]

I think the quality of cops in Asia is sub par in many locales (although they don't seem to have the cowboy attitudes/aggression that often prevail in the Americas), but isn't the argument usually that it's hard to get them actively engaged and away from the mahjong table (unless a victim has major guanxi)? In this case, a cop saw a dangerous threat on the roads that could have easily harmed innocent bystanders. He acted.

It would have been better to see the police person solve this incident without violence of any kind, but I would say that given the high amount of alcohol in his blood, the skirmish, the bent baton etc., any hearing into the police officer's conduct would quickly determine he acted within reasonable boundaries. Did the cop show best practices? Nope. Will he get sanctioned for aggressive behaviour? Nope. Is it surprising that the "gutter/Nativist press" in Taiwan is enjoying this story? Hell no.

I think at the end of the day, if buddy gets out of this situation without any permanent injury, minimal jail time (if any) etc., he'll be happy that things didn't turn out worse.

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Grillmaster » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:01
I love how everyone is taking the published BAC of .56 as the gospel instead of a figure reported by the fecking Apple Daily. If his BAC was at .56, I highly doubt he was tearing his way up a dark mountain road on a scooter. At 0.4 - 0.49 most people lose control of their bladders. This guy however was still able to avoid the pursuing police officers and charge 10km across the city? Would love to see where his blood was tested, by who, when last equipment was calibrated, etc. Oh right, that must all have been working perfectly and the Apple Daily didn't screw the numbers up. Except for the initial report claiming that it was a 20km chase.

The other thing that makes me wonder... I know this guy. If he was close enough to you that you were bending a baton on his arm/head/helmet/whatever, and he was going for you, you are close enough to him that if he wanted to, you'd be on the floor. The initial report claimed that the cop tried to subdue him from behind, using the baton to choke him. He elbowed the cop and broke out of the hold. If that is the case, the cop was not in danger. He was behind the suspect. The suspect was not moving towards him. He was therefore shot for resisting to submit rather than because the cop was in danger. That is a huge difference in determining whether or not gunplay was called for.

This coming from a guy who threatened to beat up another guy when absolutely drunk at a bar. The bar owner had to hold you back as he didn't want the cops raiding the place and having all hassle. How would you know the cop wasn't in danger. The police here would only use a weapon as a last resort, which in this case is what is it. This guy went on a 10km chase, crashed, assaulted the cops ( possibly in a drunken rage ) and according to others had the physical bulk and strength to out muscle a smaller Asian man.

He wasn't shot for resisting only, he was shot because he was a threat and the cop was the one who could have been killed by this person.

[KTVDRIVER]

I don't really give a shit.

You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't write.

Some bloke went out, got pissed, rode a scooter,

Er... "some bloke"-- who happens to be someone you know-- drank enough to kill many people and then rode his motorcycle home in a severely impaired state, putting everyone on or near the road at risk.

a cop pulled up beside him, the bloke didn't stop, big chase,

The police more than likely noticed his advanced state of intoxication. When they tried to conduct a routine traffic stop, "some bloke" bolted and went on a 10km high-speed attempt to flee, riding in such a way as to put himself, the police and any other road users or bystanders in serious danger.

bloke fell off, got battered, and then was shot as he was trying to get back on his scooter.

Chase finally ended, and the "bloke" was uncooperative, compative and violent. Police exhausted all reasonable means of force to bring the "bloke" under control. Despite being struck so many times by the police metal nightstick it bent, the bloke continued on his assault. Faced with a violent and intoxicated man much taller and heavier than himself, and obviously feeling no pain, the officer shot the "bloke," aiming for the legs.

Unbeaten-up policeman claims he was beaten up.

The officer has strangle marks on his neck. Not beaten up, but certainly abused.

Commendations all round.

I'd say.

Deport the foreigner.

Probably deserved.

Internet opinion divided.

Not really. Only the perp's friends-- and some of their friends-- are crying over this. Most others see this for what it is.

Nothing to see. Move along. Just another routine evening for Taipei's Finest and the Internet Guardians of Justice!

This is one case where the police acted completely appropriately, as they did in the Zain Dean case. Only friends of the criminals were and are using the "Taiwan corruption" red herring to defect criticism from their friends.

Yes. The guy's my friend. I am completely 100% biased. Did I not make that clear? Sorry, internet.

And your obvious bias is showing. Your attempt to show support for him helps no one, least of all your friend. His actions were indefensible, and very far beyond the pale. Even those closest to him ought to drive that fact home for him. He needs to dramatically change his life, and he's less likely to do so if his friends keep sending him the message that it's not his fault; it's everyone else.

[MAOMAN]

I've created a Facebook Group for his friends. If you're one, and you'd like to help, just let me know and I'll add you.

As you all know I like to support all the expat criminals in Taiwan, they are my dearest friends. And lets all form a big expat group to show up at court in support of our criminal brethren.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Join a facebook group to support a criminal thug.. erh no thanks.

[BIGJOHN]

This guy is a member of this community. Showed a stunning lapse of judgment, to be sure, but he'll pay the price. In the meantime, the normal rules apply.

Full Disclosure: The guy in question is a close personal friend of mine. This is a pretty difficult time for him. It's a pretty difficult time for his friends. Any compassion will be much appreciated. I am sure he was racially profiled. Innocent until proven guilty

http://www.appledaily.com.tw/animation/ ... 9/35232109

It hurts so much. The pain of it all. How will the school lets the students know one of their teachers was shot by the police?