MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[Bismarck]

Exactly (although one has to wonder if they'd be more upset by the usage of "fat" or "oriental"). To me, they can say "laowai" or "adogah" merely means "foreigner" until they're blue in the face, but it doesn't feel or seem that harmless to me. Tags added for the more sensitive reader:
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Much like how "negro" merely means black in Spanish and you could argue "nigger" is just a variant of the same. Fact is, it was used disparagingly, and the black community took offense at it. Had they just shut their mouths and done nothing about it they'd still be treated like second hand citizens and called the same.

These terms always start out as "innocently" meaning something else, but it comes down to how it is actually used and how it makes people feel, imo.

The other thing that came to mind was this. Ok, he was in the wrong. Drunk bloke tries to run from the cops. Resists arrests. Scuffle ensues. He gets a bit of a beat down (expected) and shot (Bit of an over reaction imo, possibly poor training, but WTF is a 60kg weedy wimp a cop anyway? In my opinion a copper should be the typical rugby playing type of brute, physically fit and of rather average intelligence.).

But why is this news? Again, because he's a big assed white dude. I see ethnically Asian road users (See, I use ethnically Asian, because I have no idea whether they're Taiwanese or foreigners, and although they're most likely Taiwanese, behaving so badly they could very well be foreigners from China, or a myriad of other places in Asia or even the Western world. ) running from the cops quite frequently. So drunk they need help to get back on their scooters (Yes, the cops actually help them get back on and drive away. I've seen it. More than once.). Why does none of this ever make it on to Apple Daily? Right, because they're not big white dudes.

[REPLICANT]

but WTF is a 60kg weedy wimp a cop anyway? In my opinion a copper should be the typical rugby playing type of brute, physically fit and of rather average intelligence.).

My god you are the one to talk. You who rode for over 8 years without a licensed and smashed up a small 40kg plus woman because you were riding DUI.

Wasn't a 60kg weedy local banging your wife and knocked her up. You the big rugby playing cuckold what did you do about it? nothing. You the big brute going to fuck everyone up if you don't like them. Come on Rudi, let's get real here.

The only people harping on about this news are the expats supporting their dear mate who is such a nice guy who run a DUI stop, led the cops on a 10km chase before having an accident, ( he could have hit and killed someone along the way ) and then assaulted the police who were trying to arrest him.

Nice people don't do things like this do they.

[angerim]

Lets not forget Apple Daily is just a tabloid. I doubt anyone here steps in to defend them. It made other major locally owned papers though (Liberty Times and China Times).

The China Times article does not mention 老外 / Lǎowài / Foreigner anywhere, they are using 美籍男子 / Měi jí nánzǐ / American man
Liberty Times uses it a couple of times but if you check how the rest of the article is written then you notice its poor (focusing about pubs drinking etc).
So my suggestion would be to fire off a FRIENDLY letter to that editor (劉慶侯) of the Liberty Times (and maybe Apple Daily) asking them to stop referring people simply as foreigners. If you do a quick search you'll find 劉慶侯 does a lot of articles on local gangster, small crimes in the section "社會新聞" (social news?) at that newspaper. He got complained about before (you can use Google translate well enough here):

http://iservice.libertytimes.com.tw/inf ... =120109038

I also don't know what is the point of mentioning any names if the person in question isn't a public figure.

(I could however understand that teachers are seen as public figures but that's just my personal idea).

[THE HULK]

We can complain about racist media all day long, fine.

At the end of the day, we had this guy endangering the lives of anybody and everybody near the road. As yourself, if a child had run out in front of the scooter, would that do anything to the way you look at this, or should I brace myself for posts on poor Taiwanese parenting leading to kids on the road late at night, thus causing the child to be hit by Mr DUI and possible die?

You can argue that the cop was in the wrong, however when being attached by a drunk madman almost twice his weight, I can understand that he felt his life in danger and that he acted accordingly.

Holier than you? Holier than what? You do not drink and drive, it's that simple. I have in the past left my car in Taipei and taken a taxi down to Yangmei, easy. And remember - the price of a taxi ride in Taipei is the same as the price for a guiness at the speakeasy. Can afford the extra beer but cannot be bothered to take a taxi?

People driving when drunk deserves whatever, and a shot in the legs, coupled with a prison sentence and a kick out of the country after, sounds about right to me. Support groups on facebook for felons - sheesh . If you want to go see him in prison etc, fine and good, however a public support group? I am ashamed of being associated with something that stupid; wonder what apple daily would think if they found out.

[THE HULK]

The support group is not public and it is a way for us friends to coordinate. You don't know what you're talking about.

Wrong. You do not know what you are talking about. :thumbsdown:

A drunk driver is scum. Perhaps nice and warm-hearted, but still scum. When dead drunk, I still know that I should not drive.

However you guys - making a facebook group and then announcing it here? I can read it, the media can read it, everybody who want to can read it.

We now have a thread here first of all pouring out scorn on the Apple Daily reporter, after which you guys publicly enough for me to find out announce that you want to make a support group for him. Cool, wonder how that one will look if a say pissed off apple daily reporter choses to write about it. :twocents:

I would say that silence can be golden at times.

[THE HULK]

I have a friend back home who lost his license due to DUI, on a repeated basis. I still consider him a friend, however at the same time I do not repeat not consider him a normal and productive citizen. Simply, he is not, and there are several reasons in his life in general explaining that he is fucked enough to lose his license.

If he was discussed in a public forum, I would keep a low profile. I would not try to defend anything, as it's indefensible.

That John managed to get himself into a scooter chase and then a fight with the cops - no excuse for that either. He caused all that, even the bullet in his legs.

At least noone was killed. Let us be happy about that, at least. John will get his well-deserved punishment.

[THE HULK]

Well, a good friend and all that - if there are serious issues, I am sure that the AIT would be the ones handling it.

What a bunch of amateurs do it not really that relevant, I would say, go see him etc, however his goose is cooked to crisp perfection, I would say.

At the end of the day, he fucked up so bad that it's almost funny.

At least here in Taiwan, they will give him a few months in the slammer since he apparently is contrite, and then a kick out of the country. I would think they after 5-10 years would even let him back in.

If what I read in the papers is correct, and I think it is, then police corruption is not an issue at all

[angerim]

A drunk driver is scum. Perhaps nice and warm-hearted, but still scum. When dead drunk, I still know that I should not drive..
Unfortunately some people do not have this hesitation when they are drunk.
I totally agree drunk driving is bad, I don't even drive when I only had a can of beer and leave the scooter at home when I know I'll go to a big party.
Cause if ANYTHING happens, and even if they only find traces of alcohol in your blood they may still say "he was drinking!".

Anyhow I think you made your point of view very clear already but this discussion isn't about drunk driving only, its also about assault and how the media reports the entire thing. Whatever he is found guilty of I let the judges decide but I don't think its right any private person is mentioned with their full passport name in the news before a verdict or referenced to as "the foreigner, the foreigner, the foreigner". This kind of "news attitude" reflects bad on all of us (imho).

[BLACKCRUSADER]

The lcoal media gave this event the 30 secodns it was worth reporting on and nothing else.

Its a bunch of cry baby expats mouthing off about how the cops are untrained or racists becuase they shot a criminal in the leg. Boo Hoo.

Lucky the cop only shot him once. He was being restrained he could have emptied the whole magazine into "dear john" The police office was being assaulted by a much larger and stronger person and needed to end the fight qucily. He did so by firing one shot. To have a policeman draw his weapon on you means he must be facing real danger to himself. Yes big John got shot. Thats the least of his worries right now. Tony is out trying to protect his English name from being known. Why is that Tony, got something to hide. In every country except in the case aof juveniles the perps names are published in the media.

[MAOMAN]

Well as you know I also banned you on my site becuase you posted the real picture of Chris Churcher, who sold his passport to help Zain Dean escape.

All these people are my good friends. I can't help it a lot of my good friends are known expat criminals. John is one of my closest criminal friends. I can't have people going around besmirching my good name just because of the people I associate with. Also I think is very wrong of your site to post peoples real names. We can't have that. It's not right, and it hurts the criminals involved to be publicly outed.

I want to sue you but I dont have enough money to sue as I havent paid back all the people I loaned money from yet.