MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[HEADHONCHO11]

Will he get deported? I mean he was driving drunk and got into a bit of a scuffle with the cop, but didn't actually hurt anyone. He could have hurt somebody of course, but he didn't. In the end he got shot which is very extreme.

[serial killer on parole]

Will he get deported? I mean he was driving drunk and got into a bit of a scuffle with the cop, but didn't actually hurt anyone. He could have hurt somebody of course, but he didn't. In the end he got shot which is very extreme.

This is not the point that you saud he didnt hurt anyone in his reckless 10km ride at high speeds through narrow streets whilst drunk. He could easily have killed someone. What would be your excuse then? That people shoulndt be out on the streets late at night so drunken thugs can race through them whilse being persued by the police?

He also assaulted the police officer. Do you not think the police officer was hurt?

In the end he got shot once, which he should be happy about it only requiring once shot to stop his brutal assault on the police officer trying to arrest him. THe way this idiot was going he would have shot the police office if he could have taken his weapon off him. In the end the EXTREME actions of Big 100kg John
are the ones that need assessing, not the actions of a police office doing his job properly.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Jaboney » Thu Aug 22, 2013 14:01

Deported? Back home, being caught street racing is enough to lose your car and trigger calls for deportation. Drinking and driving, fleeing the police, supposedly attacking a cop such that you're shot...? I think he'll be lucky to avoid jail, followed by deportation and a permanent ban on reentry. Sucks, but that's what I expect. Bummer.

He will be fine in jail if thats where he ends up. If he gets deported then Taiwan will be better off.

[MAOMAN]

Well John did write a letter of apology. That should be enough really.

Jail and deportation for my criminal friends is really not good for me. I'd be too lonely. He has the right to remain silent which is what I advise everyone to do.

Let's say I get arrested. Do I have the right to remain silent? Do I have the right to make a phone call? Do I have the right to an attorney? Is that attorney mandated with acting in my best interests? Is there confidentiality between an attorney and his client? Is there a presumption of innocence? Do I have to prove my innocence, or does the court have to prove my guilt? How long can someone be held without charges? I'm curious about these things, and while it's not that surprising that I don't know the answer, what is surprising to me is that most Taiwanese don't seem to know the answers, either!

I said in another thread on a website I am afraid that one day I will end up in jail in Taiwan.

(I haven't been arrested, but me being a Canadian, and an English teacher to boot, statistically it's just a matter of time before I start dealing drugs, so this is all good information to know.)

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Ado » Fri Aug 23, 2013 13:50

I am sure this guy will be coached on doing an apology just to save on penalty and possible jail time.

Now Maoman has a private group to help this guy. I'm fine with that as I won't be joining. Many are claiming this chap is a nice guy. I'm sorry, nice guys don't behave like this.

If this guy gets a couple of years in jail and then deported I will not shed a tear. Why the oh my god they called him a laowai instead of an American. Then there are those who are claiming the cop is a racist for shooting a white guy who did a runner, then had an accident DUI, then assaulted a police officer before getting shot. Isuppose when he gets whatever sentence if it involves jail time this site will be full of the he got railroaded by the cops and the judges.

Maoman I see you boasted on another F titled forum ( are we allowed to say the name here ) that you enjoy a good smoke and support legalization of some currently illegal "soft" drugs and that you too fear that one day you will be put in jail here for dealing drugs, being a Canadian. Is that a good thing to say when you run expat webites?

The local press gave this DUI case the 30 seconds of fame it deserved and has now been forgotten.

Forgotten. No. The NET has a long memory.

[THE HULK]

I disagree, this one is too hard to defend. Claiming that he got railroaded will simply be too far off. We are all people with some kind of education, I suppose. While there might be one mouthbreather utterly devoid of common sense, the majority of the posters here cannot possibly believe that the guy is innocent.

And - a good guy plans his pub crawls in advance, at least to the point of keeping his scooter or car at home.

I see this drunk as a skunk driving nonsense with a lot of long-timers, who came here back when driving down the road silly drunk was a badge of honor, and those guys have retained the habits of their youth. Times have changed, and now it's officially frowned upon, with drastic punishment to boot. Given the large percentage of traffic accidents with alcohol involved, nothing but scorn should be reserved for those violating it, and the least you can do is to surrender, instead of attacking a cop.

[LORD LUCAN]

Nail. Head. Ma Ying Jiu could do himself a lot of favours with a bit of public humility.

Enjoying the outpourings of self-righteousness. Never knew there were so many squeaky-clean foreigners in Taiwan harbouring so much moral outrage.

And the non-sequitor straw man arguments are great. I love a good straw man argument. "There has been an attack by a [what was it Mr He, "madman"?] on the police. You do not agree that such an attack took place. Therefore you condone drink driving and attacks on police." Bravo!

The truth is, just like in the Zane Dean case, none of us know, or will ever know what happened. The police have advised that the cop turned off the camera which filmed the chase for the Apple Daily. Unless that footage turns up, well, it's he says she says.

Even the Apple Daily has the cop jumping on the suspect from behind. And then shooting him. Interestingly, the trajectories are currently being analyzed, to determine whether he was shot from behind. Bit of a game changer, that, if it turns out the cop shot a fleeing suspect. On the other hand, it's the police's evidence, so they will produce whatever evidence is necessary to justify the shooting. Same the world over. Rule No.1 - always make the evidence fit the crime.

Whilst it's all very enjoyable of a Friday afternoon, this moral one-upmanship, it is worth remembering that when a foreigner is involved, the newspapers report the police's side as fact. None of this "jingfang biaoshi" malarkey, nope, it's "Big Nose did this that and the other". Fact. And widely varying "facts", depending on which newspaper you read. It's also worth remembering that all that needs to happen any of us is 10g of coke placed surreptitiously in a car glovebox or scooter underseat compartment, a quick call to the plod, and you're a drug dealer. No mess, no fuss. Reported as fact by the press and no-one, no human rights advocate or investigative journalist to cast doubt. You'll be relying on powerful friends and family to execute the "Do You Know Who I am?" defence down at the cop shop, and if you don't have that, it's Goodnight Irene.

There's only one issue here. Was opening fire on the suspect justified? That's the one issue that will never be debated in the press, or I think, in court. Let's remember, Taiwanese fight with the police all the time, and drink driving is the national pastime down south. If the fuzz shot each and every one of those suspects the Belgians would have to open a new ammunition factory. I've seen Taiwanese cops covered in blood with their pistols firmly holstered having suffered assaults that would have even the mildest of country policeman reaching for the Webley. They are not all trigger-happy fake hardmen. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. (It can't be Mr He. 'cause he's here...

[CHAON THE SAGE]

and you should have seen the look on the admin's face when he realized I was posting through a smurf account!"

*Makes smug facial expression*

[LORD LUCAN]

Innocent of what?

He has been charged with drink driving and obstruction of a public official. He has NOT been charged with assaulting a police officer. Not yet anyway.

I don't remember anyone here arguing he was "innocent" of the first two charges.

There are multiple things being argued here on this thread.

1. What actually happened, and;
2. Various versions of events that various posters would like to comment negatively upon

We don't know what happened, and so we have created a version of events to comment upon.

My version is the version the suspect (my friend) tells me. Other people's versions are from the press. Some people have picked behavioural traits they dislike and decided to comment about them. Who's right and who's wrong? We will never know for sure. All we have is the evidence we can see (huge man beaten to a pulp and shot, and small man with a slight bruise on his neck), and either an inbuilt mistrust of the police, or an inbuilt trust of the police.

I don't like kids on planes, and airports with no smoking lounge, and at some point I will weave these into my argument when an opportunity arises: "Bloody police brutality no smoking lounge kids on planes BASTARDS scum of the earth lock them up and throw away the key hanging's too good for them bloody foreigners!"

Something like that.

[SANDMAN]

For sure he's going to be railroaded by a corrupt police and court system in this filthy backwater of a country.

We should remember that Mr. He is commenting purely on the press accounts. Not on what actually transpired. If Mr. He actually BELIEVES these press accounts, then ...