MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[THE TEDDY BEAR]

ShutUpLegs wrote: Same here, similar incidents are dealt with on a daily basis in the UK without resorting to the use of firearms.

I don't get the point of these endless comments about "where I come from we don't get shot for shit". The police here carry handguns ok? So don't run away from them, they might shoot you. Its not rocket science.

[ROBERT MUCHA MAN KELLY]

ShutUpLegs wrote: Same here, similar incidents are dealt with on a daily basis in the UK without resorting to the use of firearms.

I don't get the point of these endless comments about "where I come from we don't get shot for shit". The police here carry handguns ok? So don't run away from them, they might shoot you. Its not rocket science.

You could just look up the law: Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to others

Possibly a drunk driver fits the bill, though DUI is not a felony unless you have injured someone.

Taiwan's laws may be a bit different but it doesn't seem like excessive force is justified in most places in the world even when police carry guns.

[REPLICANT]

ShutUpLegs wrote: Same here, similar incidents are dealt with on a daily basis in the UK without resorting to the use of firearms.

I don't get the point of these endless comments about "where I come from we don't get shot for shit". The police here carry handguns ok? So don't run away from them, they might shoot you. Its not rocket science.

You could just look up the law: Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to others

Possibly a drunk driver fits the bill, though DUI is not a felony unless you have injured someone.

Taiwan's laws may be a bit different but it doesn't seem like excessive force is justified in most places in the world even when police carry guns.

No shit sherlock holmes. Why bother quoting US laws. The defendent here is in Taiwan and broke Taiwan laws and will be in court in Taiwan later in September. He will be lucky not to get a jail term.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Well lets hope Big John has enough recovery skills to get his legs working again.

I've had 6 operations on leg reconstruction having been hit by a drunk driver on a summer afternoon pay day drinking session. That was in Australia where at least I was able to sue and get damages as the guy was driving a government car. He only stopped as he hit a tree after T boning my motorbike, crushing my leg. I am sure my pain was much more than John's minor flesh wounds give.

[HEADHONCHO11]

the teddy bear wrote:

ShutUpLegs wrote: Same here, similar incidents are dealt with on a daily basis in the UK without resorting to the use of firearms.

I don't get the point of these endless comments about "where I come from we don't get shot for shit". The police here carry handguns ok? So don't run away from them, they might shoot you. Its not rocket science.

The point is that not all western police forces would respond in the same manner, to the accusations that he would got shot and worse overseas.
Obviously we know the cops on Taiwan are armed and you stand a very small chance of getting shot if you do a runner or a big one if you are a big fat foreigner.

[serial killer on parole]

tommy525 » Today, 12:24

Just a thought. Drunk foreigner weighing some 200 pounds (a light weight in America, but a serious threat to a 100 pound TW policeman) is drunk and operating his scoot in a disorderly fashion. Cops are under the gun to stop drunk driving so no more letting the guy whizz on by. Cop gives chase. The drunk person is able to stay on his ride and proceed for some distance. Cop may have rammed him (in the states thats what cops do with their cars). Knocked him off his scoot and knocked himself off the scoot as well. A physical hand to hand ensues. The night stick is used and is of no avail on our drunk 200 pounder. The policeman feels threatened and uses his side arm.

A policeman in the USA, would use his sidearm if he felt himself in danger or he felt there was a danger to other people. The man was drunk so his actions obviously were not 100pct intentional and he was not in control of his judgement or other faculties. The police person was NOT able to handle the situation without use of possibly deadly force as in a hand to hand a 100 pounder (unless he is trained in martial arts) is no match for a 200 pound drunk , disorderly man. Its a sad situation altogether.

If the policeman did not give chase and the drunk person goes and kills someone or himself just a wee bit down the road, he is going go get blamed for it if anyone saw him at the scene. For not taking any action. Perhaps he should have just followed the drunk 200 pounder and called for backup instead of tackling him on his own. Its a sad case , I repeat, for the drunk person, but he could very well have ended up dead. The policeman should learn to wait for backup if he could not control the situation himself. The use of guns have become more prevalent in Taiwan these years. In the past a policeman could go through his entire career and not discharge his weapon. The way i see it. Drunk heavy set foreign man on a scoot presents a danger to himself and to others. Lone policeman not following best practices ends up in a situation that he is not able to control. And we have what happened.

It could just as well happened that the drunk was able to wrest the weapon from the officer's hands and shot him or himself or others. Drunk people can call up pretty impressive strength.

Well if big brave John had escaped we would be hearing more stories about how his CIA training saved him. It is what it is, nothing more than a simple minded man doing a runner who got caught, and shot. If this was a local person of course non of these threads would exist. It's only because Maoman assoaciates with people who turn out to be criminals that a big fuss is made. And this isn't an isolated incident. It's an island wide problem when drunks decide they are above the law.

[Deuce Eater]

Well if big brave John had escaped we would be hearing more stories about how his CIA training saved him. It is what it is, nothing more than a simple minded man doing a runner who got caught, and shot. If this was a local person of course non of these threads would exist. It's only because Maoman assoaciates with people who turn out to be criminals that a big fuss is made. And this isn't an isolated incident. It's an island wide problem when drunks decide they are above the law.

Funny when it hits close to home around here how the viewpoints and accusations shift and turn. This guy basically committed two of the great sins of Forumosa (1-drinking and driving 2-the dreaded 'makes us foreigners look bad') yet there seems to be a fair amount of sympathy for him.

I wonder if the reaction around here would be the same if he was faceless buxiban laoshi living in middle Taiwan. Lots of fucking hypocrites around here, but then again, this is hardly news.

Here is the reality of the situation.

1-country cracks down on drinking and driving.
2-drunk runs a road block and proceeds to get in a 20 minute chase ending in a scuffle.
3-drunk gets shot in the leg after a long ordeal.

And the F.com Mt. Pious moral authority figures (of which there are many) feel sad, and want to be flexible with regard to the law and more understanding.

Its nice that you are so caring, but he got off lucky, and you know that, what he did would get him killed in many other countries, AND please STFU with the 'in my country cops don't have guns' BS, because it is blowhardy and irrelevant.

[DR SPOCK]

Novaspes » less than a minute ago

Deuce Dropper wrote: And the F.com Mt. Pious moral authority figures (of which there are many) feel sad, and want to be flexible with regard to the law and more understanding.

Not a single person in the group of friends who are giving him support wants or proposed any leniency or flexibility with regard to the law. The only person defending him in that sense is his lawyer, as it is natural.

They didnt then why did big john write a letter of apology. He's too stupid to have thought that one up by himself. Coached by the Zain Dean dream team no doubt.

Who cares what Johns friend think or want as far as his penalty will be. I spent my whole life working out and I was picked to go to the 2012 London Olympics as a Taiwan athlete. In the meantime people such as Divea and Iron Lady were on about how I had no life experiences lol. When was the last time either of them were in an Olympics event? Johns friend have been in here saying its the cops fault for chasing and catching this guy.

The Headhoncho11 says because he didnt crash and hurt anyone else it doesn't matter. WTF sort of thinking is that? Many of your friends are claiming its was a racist cop hellbent on shooting a foreigner that night. I'm a Judo expert, but street fighting is not the same as fighting on a mat in a ring with a referee.

I guess big John just failed to bring the right weapon to a gun fight and got himself shot because of his own actions, not the actions of others.

[ROBERT MUCHA MAN KELLY]

Deuce Eater wrote:
...what he did would get him killed in many other countries,

What countries are those? Angola? Zaire? China?

It's nice of you to come on like a scolding apron-wearing nanny, but as I posted, most countries don't appear to let cops shoot in the case of someone fleeing so yes that is relevant in a discussion in an international forum.

Also why did you oppose the use of excessive force against Trayyon Martin but have okayed it here? Why did you oppose it even when it was made clear to you that the law was on George Zimmerman's side? Because you thought it was unfair. So give us all a break and drop your own trek up Mt Pious as you are as inconsistent as anyone you are pointing the finger at.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Deuce Eater wrote:
...what he did would get him killed in many other countries,

What countries are those? Angola? Zaire? China?

It's nice of you to come on like a scolding apron-wearing nanny, but as I posted, most countries don't appear to let cops shoot in the case of someone fleeing so yes that is relevant in a discussion in an international forum. .

So you have stats on your claims about MOST countries dont allow cops to shoot fleeing felons. Australia, USA, Canada, do. UK cops arent armed but armed police can be called in if required. So get off your "High" horse there Robert.

While police can shoot a fleeing suspect that presents an imminent threat to the public, it is relatively rare in most crimes and raises obvious questions.

So as John was a danger to the public with his cahse going on 10km then being shot is not so shocking is it. For police to shoot somehere there must have been a dangerous situation, and John created that dangerous situation himself.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201 ... an_fleeing

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Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force only to prevent escape if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others

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