MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby angerim » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:15 pm

Lord Lucan wrote: I too originally believed that the story would be upgraded by the police to justify the use of firearms, on the basis that "I shot him, therefore he MUST have attacked me!"


Yup, and if John would be stupid enough to call the cop out on excessive force. However he says he's responsible and deserved a shot in the leg.

I mean... you get chased ... and don't stop
then you crash your scooter with A POLICE OFFICER ... and don't stop
then you get clubbed by him.... and you don't stop
then you get a warning shot fired at you ... and you still don't stop
Yes, you deserve to be shot in your leg, very sorry.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby BLACKCRUSADER » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:17 pm

Novaspes Guys, I am pretty sure there was no warning shot. One bullet was shot that night.


Yes I only saw news about one shot fired.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby LORD LUCAN » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:21 pm

awrote: . Excess force (should he have let him run?). I guess not, someone who is racing away from the police should be red flagged and shot if needed.


I have not heard that the police have claimed a warning shot was fired. First I've heard of it. Nor do I automatically accept as gospel the word of any policeman, and I'm afraid especially not in Taiwan. Sorry Taiwan, but that's the way it is.

It's my view that shooting someone should not be regarded as a method of simplifying the arrest procedure. Other than life-in-danger scenarios, I can see where it would be in the public interest to shoot an armed absconder who might use his weapon to cause death or injury, for example by taking a hostage. Guidance on the use of firearms issued to police on Planet Earth make it clear as a general rule that opening fire on a suspect is a very serious matter, and not part of the routine arrest of an unarmed suspect, even one offering resistance. However, the police here do not appear to employ alternative "soft" ammunition, tasers, dogs, or helicopters in the general course of things, and it does seem that if a good battering with the nightstick doesn't result in submission, then the next step is opening fire with the pistol. I didn't think that was the case but now I know. It's a matter of "do as I say or I'll shoot you". I'm guessing 99% of Taiwanese cops would not have opened fire, and the matter would have concluded with a visit that night or next morning to the suspect's residence by the FAP. The whole shooting match doesn't appear to me to have added very much to the administration of justice in Taiwan.

From the cop's point of view, it would have been perhaps an unacceptable loss of face to have bent the baton, and then had the suspect get back on his scoot and make off home. Rather than traipse round to the registered address of the bike, or have referred to the ID documents in the dropped wallet, the cop made the decision to shoot the suspect thus bringing the episode to a swift conclusion. This is perhaps what happened. I don't know.

My bottom line is that I don't approve of the police shooting people unless it is absolutely necessary to protect life or prevent very serious injury. With several family members in various police forces, however, I wholeheartedly support the right of police to shoot-to-kill people who point guns at police or anyone else. I do not want to live in a society where arrest procedures routinely involve the discharge of firearms and where petty criminals go about tooled up in preparation for the inevitable gun battle with police if there is an attempt to apprehend them. Therefore, my opinion and engerim's opinions are diametrically opposed to one another. The debate on policing will I'm sure rage on, although not much in Taiwan it seems. This is because, I am sure, most people do not have the police pointing guns at them on a daily basis. I grew up with police and army pointing guns at everyone every day and being searched at gunpoint at roadblocks in the dark and even upon entry to shops and I don't like it a whole lot. So I am rather biased on this point.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby BLACKCRUSADER » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:38 pm

LORD LUCAN wrote:From the cop's point of view, it would have been perhaps an unacceptable loss of face to have bent the baton, and then had the suspect get back on his scoot and make off home. Rather than traipse round to the registered address of the bike, or have referred to the ID documents in the dropped wallet, the cop made the decision to shoot the suspect thus bringing the episode to a swift conclusion. This is perhaps what happened. I don't know..


How you would know what the cops point of view was. A loss of face? Please dream up something better than argument. As you rightly said already

I dont know


Why leave a dangerous person who could kill someone else on the streets? The job of the police is to protect us from people like John. If John had just stopped and taken his DUI none of this would have happened. But no, Dear John wants to play with armed police officers and comes off scond best.

The cop made the correct decision as you said
the cop made the decision to shoot the suspect thus bringing the episode to a swift conclusion

This is what polce are trained to do.

It's a matter of "do as I say or I'll shoot you".
NO shit? Did Big Joh think the cop was joking? Maybe he did, I don't know.

I'd say if a police office has to draw his weapon on you it's because you have put that police officer in a threatening situation. And if you refuse to obey the instructions of a police officer with a gun trained on you, then don't be surprised if he shoots you.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby serial killer on parole » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:55 pm

Indiana » When I was living in Pingdong, a Taiwanese drunk driver did the same exact thing in a car and the police shot him and his passenger dead, right through both of their heads, through the windscreen.


There have been many times where people fleeing the police have been shot. John is just another DUI statistic with a reminder. 4 holes in his legs.

Hey Ma look at me I got shot by the cops and lived to tell about it.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby serial killer on parole » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:58 pm

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Lo Pan wrote: Did he deserve to get shot? Would you in the above scenario?


Yes. And yes.

If you take it from the police officer's perspective, it's easy to come up with that answer. You are in a struggle with someone roughly twice your own body mass. You are trying to subdue the suspect using a stick but this seems futile. You don't know at this point why the guy is running or how far he is wiling to go to secure his getaway. You have a gun, and you fear that if this guy overpowers you he my use it against you.

I'd honestly consider myself lucky that this police officer, whether on purpose or by accident, only shot me in the leg, and not the torso or head.


Yup he needed to be shot down like a wild boar. He was acting like one.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby Deuce Eater » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:00 pm

Only multiple offenders go to jail for DUI (if I am not mistaken), increase the enforcement, increasing the penalty to a degree yes, but I know if I was in a similar situation and thought I could get away, in a drunken stupor that might appear better than jail time. Better than a fine and a few classes (likely not).

I am not condoning anything, just an opinion that had the penalty been what it was before, he would not have run.

Do I know for sure, no, just a hunch.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby REPLICANT » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:03 pm

Deuce Eater wrote:Only multiple offenders go to jail for DUI (if I am not mistaken), increase the enforcement, increasing the penalty to a degree yes, but I know if I was in a similar situation and thought I could get away, in a drunken stupor that might appear better than jail time. Better than a fine and a few classes (likely not).

I am not condoning anything, just an opinion that had the penalty been what it was before, he would not have run.

Do I know for sure, no, just a hunch.


Clearly you are misinformed. There are first times that have gone to jail for years. If you are massively over the limits. John was way over. More than double.

He ran, he resisted arrest, obsctructed a public official, he got shot. later on he will face more penalties. I wont raise a dime for this thug.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby HEADHONCHO11 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:07 pm

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Indiana » When I was living in Pingdong, a Taiwanese drunk driver did the same exact thing in a car and the police shot him and his passenger dead, right through both of their heads, through the windscreen.


There have been many times where people fleeing the police have been shot. John is just another DUI statistic with a reminder. 4 holes in his legs.

Hey Ma look at me I got shot by the cops and lived to tell about it.


Yes it happens from time to time, but it's not common, usually the shoot-outs are aimed at known gangsters on the run or during a tense period following gang related murders. There's also a bit of a difference between running a check-point of armed cops, and getting pulled while driving, in terms of the dynamics of a situation. In one the cops manning the check-point have a split second decision to fire or let them through, in the other there is more time to call in back-up , check identities and registration plates, try and calm the situation or work through the situation to a non-violent ending.
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Re: MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

Postby serial killer on parole » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:09 pm

HEADHONCHO11 wrote:Yes it happens from time to time, but it's not common, usually the shoot-outs are aimed at known gangsters on the run or during a tense period following gang related murders. There's also a bit of a difference between running a check-point of armed cops, and getting pulled while driving, in terms of the dynamics of a situation. In one the cops manning the check-point have a split second decision to fire or let them through, in the other there is more time to call in back-up , check identities and registration plates, try and calm the situation or work through the situation to a non-violent ending.

You can definitely go jail on your first offence now (which is why the new law was so controversial), I think it may be related to your blood alcohol level. In practice I guess it will still be commuted but to much stiffer fines.


In some cases people flee because they are in stolen cars or riding stolen bikes. The police office cannot just assume that the bike John was rising wasn't stolen in the first place, or that the wallet he has was his. It could have been stolen. People who run do so because they are usually trying to hide something.

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