MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[ROBERT MUCHA MAN KELLY]

navillus wrote: ...I'll say again, that if this officer intentionally went for the leg, as to only injure this man and avoid killing him, then he exercised extreme restraint and acted very calmly in this situation.

No he didn't. And I'll say it again, police are not trained to shoot for the legs. You shoot for the torso. I doubt the training in Taiwan is any different than in the west in this regard. Also, by shooting into the driver's legs the cop risked hitting the gas tank of the scooter. Not a good move.

That said, I think the cop was justified in shooting, as by the end of the incident the driver was acting so erratic and violent that he could reasonably be assumed to be a danger to the public if let get away.

[hannibal the rodeo star]

angerim wrote:

ThreadKiller wrote: I must say that I am getting confused. Is the issue with how guilty he is, how evil drunk driving is, or how public information from people helping him is?

Since the beginning? It has only been about how extremely lucky he is.

It isn't over though, E. He and his friends should tread cautiously. I have to tell you, I was not swayed in the least over his posts.

I'm just not angry about it anymore.

[HEADHONCHO11]

maoman wrote:

Mr He wrote: Where I am from driving drunk would see you ostracised for a long time. Friendship and all that, but sheesh, Maoman I am so unimpressed with the 15 people chipping in and the general gist seen in the discussion here that words fail me.

I put him in touch with a lawyer, made sure that there was no communication barrier, and bought him some toilet paper (hospital didn't provide that). I haven't defended his actions or his character. What part of the above is galling?

Nothing, honestly, and I have done similar acts of kindness in the past. People have come to me directly or indirectly and asked for help. I helped, be it a loan to one, a donation to a few websites, a friend who crashed while driving drunk and was in hospital, I came there and looked out for him as well, since not even his wife wanted to.

However in all those endeavors, I have always kept one rule in my mind. Do not splatter the knowledge about who and where you helped all over the place. Criticize in public and help in private. What you do is at the end of the day between you and the person you help, and polishing your glory over it in public does nothing good. Any true friends of say John should gather up and give whatever help they can, however always keep it in private. Charity and help works best if given low key.

That's your own rather Protestant ethos showing through , not everybody needs to follow your set of what you think are morals.
You don't seem to be able to see that.

[BUBBA 2 DUMB]

I have met bubba 2 guns many times at bars where he tells his stories of being a CIA operative and his killer skills and his gun collection.

He has sometimes been lets say, "assertive" when pushing his ideas. Yes he has an aggressive nature and I am not surpirsed that one day his aggressiveness would catch up with him.

This is not the first time of drinking and riding as I have been drunking with him at the old on tap and church bar and other places and seen him ride away without too hoots caring about being DUI.

When I owned Galigong I often saw you ride your scooter here. Everytime you thought drank though you parked your scooter in my front yard, sometimes for days on end. You always took a taxi home even though you lived close by. You never rode if you drank at my place. I know some others though you were a strange one for doing that.

Hey that's the first time I met you Lord Lucan, at your bar. Sat TV and his son Sat TV junior were there and Chaon got his arsewhipped by that chess fiend friend of his satellite TV.

Re: Forumosa Happy Hour at Galley Gong 11/11 at 7:00!
by Bubba 2 Guns » 08 Nov 2010, 14:26

So I can finally meet the dreaded Lord Lucan..

[super danger mouse hans]

Mr He Wrote

Chaon the Sage wrote: I'm withholding judgement until we can get the opinion of someone who knows about this stuff. Like an undercover agent who is here on a secret mission from Interpol. Someone like that could separate the factual wheat from the conjectural chaff in a jiffy, hans down.

And the Mouse has to roar in Danger.

fenlander wrote: Nice bike. He should have stuck to bikes and forgot about the women. He claimed to be ex British police? Is that right? Well now that is it! Taiwan if full of British criminals as is the British police force full of British criminals

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Yes I claimed to be a copper so what? I tricked you all. Me and Zain Dean are best conmen too bd we both got caught. Too bad John didnt make it.
I also claimed to be a trained pilot, customs agent, MI6 operative and many other things.

I even fooled people into believing I knew how to teach them to ride motorcycles. Chaon the Sage blew my cover.

http://www.moronosa.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 12121df98b

[angerim]

Its always the same bars here that collect donations in case of drunk driving accidents, or people being idiots in general, and it works surprisingly well.
We are all Extremely Lucky I don't see what the problem is?

[Deuce Eater]

Deuce Eater wrote:

Mr He wrote:Well, come on, it's the internet. I love riling people up here. Don't you?

Of course, but the two things that irk me most (not truly upset me but make me think, 'what a f*ckin douche') are:

'this is gonna be bad for all us foreigners'

'everyone here is f*cked and has no life, I'm here too but I am different'

That shit annoys me because what some drunk f*cking American does has no impact on my daily life, and trying to differentiate your real life self from the rest of your messageboard pals as being cooler and having your shit more together is the pinnacle of douchebaggery.

Mr He wrote Calm down, all I am saying is that the core users here are old burnouts, stuck in a rut. I mean, Snadman left!\

I do not need to differentiate myself from some idiot managing to get himself shot, why? I do not own a scooter, I have never been to Revolver, I have never taught Engrish, and I would not even look like the guy.

No Taiwanese have ever mentioned any about stupid foreigners antics here to me, never. What they do have little impact on my existence here.

That said, i still hate drunk drivers, and have little pity on people who make it worse by doing what he did.

Don't tell me to calm down.

[BIGJOHN]

Mr He wrote: Calm down, all I am saying is that the core users here are old burnouts, stuck in a rut. I mean, Snadman left!\

That is far from true. That is like saying all Frenchmen wear berets and walk around carrying baguettes.

Anyway, the main reason this guy in question's friends are supporting him are - wait for it - they are his friends. Not because of any hopelessness in their life, as you seem to imply. In fact, you mainly seem to like to imply that you are better than them. At the risk of being accused of backseat moderating: Please look at the title of this thread. If you want to talk about how wonderful you are because you are not an English teacher, please start a new thread!

The idea to help find the guy's defense are reasonable in that his support network here is the expat community. That is the one of the problems with being an expat: you tend to lose touch with your own homegrown support network. If people on this site want to help the guy get the best possible legal and medical care available as a friend of his, how is that reprehensible? Would not the friends and family of a Taiwanese man in the same circumstances do the same?

A few other points:

1) Lists of lawyers provided by embassies and consulates to their citizens abroad are not recommendations.

2) Of course the guy is not going to tell his side of the story until trial, online anyway.

3) It is of course reasonable and in fact part of the judicial process to question the use of possibly deadly force by a police officer, and to want to question the facts before accepting any one version.

[REPLICANT]

Ermintrude Love the 'Engrish teacher' swipe yet Mr He, you openly call yourself an 'entrepreneur ' beyond the age of 30. You sell stuff. Stop being rude.
Yes, you're an impressive guy for not riding a scooter and drinking. Everyone gets that and thinks you're awesome.

People support their friends. Do you know what? If one of my friends had murdered someone, I'd still be nice to them, defend them from Internet blowhards and try to assist if I could. Because that is a Good Thing, not a Bad Thing. Drunk driving is definitely a Bad Thing. Fighting is usually a Bad Thing.

Can we all just agree and stop showboating?

Mr He is a manufacturer, so yes he sells his product. So an entrepeneur cant be young? I remember when a young man around 19 started posting ob Flob about how to get an investment ARC people ridiculed him for talking bullshit. Later everyone was knocking off his posts on how to open a rep office in Taiwan.
Eventually he was banned on the flob.

[CHAON THE SAGE]

Deuce Eater wrote: Of course, but the two things that irk me most (not truly upset me but make me think, 'what a f*ckin douche') are:

'this is gonna be bad for all us foreigners'

Shot through the leg and you're to blame JJ you give Laowai a bad name