MY FRIEND RACIALLY PROFILED AND SHOT BY COPS

[HOGWRONGWAY]

I'm too new to the Forumosa family (familymosa? Nah, let's never try that again) to know the origin of the site but it seems a peeved former user went and started his own creepy, pathetic shrine to take out his teenage angst and play with imaginary friends. More experienced posters apparently know just who is behind that awful experiment in self-masturbatory Forumosa fanfiction.

[MAOMAN]

by bob_honest » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:05 pm

I am here quite a while yet it still confuses me. So is Maoman not here anymore I take it? Damn, I totally neglected the 'mosa soap opera.

The mods and many other people suddenly got an allergic reaction to me after I left and started a rival site.

You should read what Iron Oxide Lady, Pop My Fly and others wrote about me leaving flobster land.

It really cuts to the heart so have a good read of the whole thread. Its pleases me so much.

http://www.moronosa.com/viewtopic.php?f ... e&start=30

[MAOMAN]

I'm too new to the Forumosa family (familymosa? Nah, let's never try that again) to know the origin of the site but it seems a peeved former user went and started his own creepy, pathetic shrine to take out his teenage angst and play with imaginary friends. More experienced posters apparently know just who is behind that awful experiment in self-masturbatory Forumosa fanfiction.

Look, please ton't talk about me that way. The reason I left was to start Taiwanese. As you know I do a better job than Gus.

Here's what Gus had to say about me leaving. I feel so humiliated he would write this on a public forum.

I believe the reason why some of the moderators find Maoman's posts promoting Taiwanease on Forumosa so annoying is because they are privy to the way Anthony left Forumosa to relaunch Taiwanease. It wasn't pretty or smooth and it wasn't cool. In fact, for me, it was unnecessary, because Taiwanease was always envisioned as a complement to Forumosa -- including the Directory project and the iPhone App that immediately pre-dated Anthony's departure from Forumosa. This is why it's a shame.

Where it gets awkward is that it was not enough for Anthony to simply leave to build the app and the directory. He had to have forums then, too. Which had to have the same topics! And he wanted the same moderators. Then, when it seemed that some moderators were content being moderators on both forums, he insisted that they make a choice.

As I said, I never thought ANY of that was necessary. It didn't shock me that he would want to have forums on Taiwanease, but it was disappointing that he couldn't see the forums on Forumosa as a worthy partner (back then). I did not expect him to insist on there being the same topics -- that's kinda weird -- but I was more interested in moving forward and figuring out who would take care of Forumosa from that point, so I wanted to avoid a protracted break-up negotiation (unfortunately, those talks dragged out for about month -- which I recently reminded him was a waste of time from my point of view), this is why there are copies of some Forumosa threads up to September 2011 on Taiwanease.

But it's how Anthony dealt with the moderators which was really interesting to watch, because, remember, he originally personally invited many (probably most) of them to help out over the years. I had not met most of them - I had already been living in Shanghai for 6 years at that point, so I wasn't even in the country when many joined the moderator team. But we approached these people differently when he and I agreed to go separate ways.

For me, the first step after the break up was clear - assure everyone that Forumosa was not coming to an end, ask for suggestions on what to do next since a dominant and highly visible forum admin was leaving, and check if they were going to stop moderating on Forumosa. I also had a few ideas on how to fill the gaps Anthony left behind. Anthony did A LOT here: he personally hosted the Happy Hours and all those events -- these were really *his* thing, being the guy upfront welcoming everybody to the island; as well as banning people: being where the buck stops (it was great that Anthony always seemed to relish that role). I had no intention to fill those shoes - not because I didn't want to (and, for the record, I did NOT want to), but because I had committed myself to other things unrelated to Forumosa.

I counted myself lucky that all but 3 moderators said they would keep moderating on Forumosa. One of the 3 said he was resigning out of loyalty to Anthony (I didn't challenge him, but I sincerely thought that was silly because, well, Taiwanease was supposed to be an App not a major rival, right? Ha!) and the other 2 said they had been wanting to stop moderating for a long time but didn't know how to break it to Anthony. It was during the one-on-one calls and appointments I made with each moderator that I discovered that they had been approached to moderate on Taiwanease. What else could I say but, "that's cool with me"? I mean, hey, they are great people who've been volunteering all this time -- am I in any position to make demands of them? I figured I should only be grateful for ANY time and attention they could give to Forumosa.

That was the first backlash that seemed to happen. People seemed to regard the invitation as under-handed. Some told me that they thought it was weird to be invited to moderate in a forum that seemed to be intended to "replace" Forumosa. I would simply say, "I don't know anything about that, but I do know that Forumosa needs you - it really needs moderators". Most would simply explain, "Anthony's a good guy, and I don't expect there to be a lot to do there… at least for now" as a way of downplaying why they would be involved with both sites. No arguments from me.

The second backlash happened the following summer, almost a year later. By then, maybe half of the moderators on both Forumosa and Taiwanease were "Dual Mods". Both sites have private moderator forums, so occasionally, there seemed to be some parallel chatter on both sites. And God forbid someone brings up Anthony's name in Forumosa's private areas (ironically and invariably related to him posting on Forumosa in the first place -- I did a topic search last week of the number of times "author = Maoman" and "Taiwanease" appear on Forumosa since Aug 2011, and counted 41 topics; there may have been 2 Forumosa events posted on Taiwanease, but this is like 2 Taiwanease promotional threads on Forumosa every month since), because then there's hair-pulling and soul-searching about the gossiping and how "he's not here to defend himself" sort of things. You want to talk about topics that sound like they came out of high school detention? Read those. Then I heard that Anthony was contemplating asking moderators to choose sides, I mean, sites. That was awesome! I thought 2 things at the same time: on one hand, this would put an end to those endless finger-pointing discussions in the moderator forum; and on the other hand, what a spectacularly offensive way to insult grown women and men! I was glad I never thought of that - even though I recognise why Anthony would be concerned enough to think about it.

So if a moderator today rolls their eyes whenever they see Anthony or anyone promoting Taiwanease on Forumosa, I can't be surprised. For you Jeremy Lin fans, remember when another "king" decided to take his talents to South Beach a couple years ago? It's a little like that kind of resentment. TaiwanHo, CAPT, ORIENTED, and even Internations were not founded to look or act like Forumosa the way the forums at Taiwanease were founded or organised. Seriously - I actually have a piece of paper that literally says it's OK for Taiwanease to look like Forumosa! And though that wasn't my idea, I agreed to sign it. I figured Forumosa will continue to evolve anyway, so no big deal.


Now, by the time of the 2nd backlash, some longtime heavy using Forumosans had either left, been banned (which is something of an accomplishment since we 99.9% of the time we only ban spammers), or simply moved away from Taiwan. The banter culture began to give way to new posters who ask questions and give answers. To me, this is evidence of evolution. This is how I understand the drop in average page views per user and visit duration times accompanied by the record levels of new and overall visitor traffic that resumed by CNY 2012. I agree with some who have pointed out that some of those who left Forumosa for Taiwanease seem like they indeed had been discouraging people from participating in discussions all these years. It was an in-club of posters above the rules after all. And I believe some of them are actually back here smurfing (and that's O-K with me!). Well, at least, this is wishful thinking.


I will confess to you that Forumosa has been less of a priority for me. Those who know me personally know what I'm talking about -- and don't begrudge me for it. But maybe the biggest reason why Forumosa fell a few rungs in my to-do list is because as of Nov 2011, I stopped paying for it. Or at least, it feels that way. I will always be grateful to engerim for proposing and then executing on the move to the current web server where Forumosa resides, because in one stroke, this website got faster, more stable, and plummeted in cost to a fraction (1/10!) what Anthony and I were paying every month for the previous 10 years. Indeed, that move put Forumosa in the black because the affiliate income from Forumosa Friends alone more than covers the bill.

If you've read this far -- thanks! I wouldn't say that Forumosa is against fun activities. Instead, I believe that Forumosa -- maybe more than ever before -- is returning to its roots about supplementing YOUR life in Taiwan (y'know, like "it's about "U" in Formosa" -- hmmpf, that slogan never works). Forumosa is a heavily trafficked site. It's growing, too. There are a lot of ideas on what Forumosa should do. I want them to happen, but I don't have the time to take the lead on them. I am interested in hearing ways to make Forumosa more accessible and easier to use - so please PM me, I would like to hear if you are interested in benefiting from this traffic that Forumosa enjoys. If I agree your ideas will help introduce the forums to new people, then I'll support you.

Today, I am deeply grateful to Tempo Gain and Forumosa's moderators who work behind the scenes -- usually quietly -- to keep order when they can. They rock. I think they have been doing a great job without the drama or irony

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Re: Taiwan Police Shoot Forumosan by Mick » Today, 08:32

jp_mtl wrote: Is it against the rules to mention his username? I cannot figure out who he is and nobody is mentioning his name.

Yes. I don't know why this thread was even started. Theres an equally acrimonious thread at Taiwanease, it was my sincere hope that the topic could have been avoided altogether here. Anyway this is from the rules.

Outing
Published on August 18, 2011 by Founder in Forum Rules Do not post personal information about any other person even if that information is publicly available. This includes, but is not limited, to divulging personal information such as the real-life identity of other Forumosans, telephone numbers, or sexual orientation. In addition, Forumosa does not condone or encourage efforts by individuals to “dig up” information about other visitors. You may post the public contact information for public figures, but you may not post anyone’s private information without their consent.

If its public information on the news then I see no reason to suppress anyones names. The news listed both John Justin Mc Carty and his chinese name.

[THE TEDDY BEAR]

The funny thing about the thread over there is that they're giving us shit for the acrimony in this thread. And there's no difference in the level of discourse on either site!

As I pointed out 16 pages ago we joined the party five days late and no one has said anything remotely insightful since, just a bunch of old fish wives having a gossip

Mr Hulk » Today, 10:09

All right, I know english teachers here, and I like the ones I know in person. I however see and meet a lot of washed-up burnouts here, who have put their lives on annual repeat since 25, and when you are 46, it's just sad, as any pride from their work is gone long time ago.

On the other hand, selling "shit" motivates me, the "shit" selling evolves all the time, and challenges me every day. I feel that I grow, I see things grow around me, and it's all good.

See its just idle gossip

[POP MY FLY]

Mick, Don't you think this is a cautionary tale that many readers can benefit from? I also started it to provide a link to a support group for those so inclined.
It's also news....and about one of our own. We have a thread about a man-eating croc in a far away land. This is as local as it gets.

The acrimony is unfortunate, with that I'll agree. Alas, there are lots of folks so unhappy with their lives that they have to sit at their ivory keyboards and cast aspersions. Sad, but I try to stay immune to it. I guess like giving racists leave to post their hate and expose themselves to all as the creeps they are, threads such as this expose posters for their true selves. I personally have discovered one long time poster that I'll have none of from here on in as a result of his posts herein.

As for the other thread, well....we reach a much wider audience and I figured the admin of the other site might appreciate his support group getting "The Flob Bump".

[serial killer on parole]

Mick

antarcticbeech wrote:

Mick wrote: Yes. I don't know why this thread was even started.

A guy who posts on here got shot by a policeman. If that is not threadworthy, what is?

I hear you, just these threads always turn into a shitfest.

Friend of poster writes

I in no way defend my friends actions. Then goes off on 20 page rant, the police here are all corrupt, the policeman was a thug, he shouldn't have used such force, friend was just defending himself, cops are liars, wouldnt have happened in a civilized county

Another poster writes

I really hate drink driving, I have had close friends and family killed by a drunk driver.

Friend of poster writes

You self righteous prick, no one ever tried to defend his actions. Join the holier than thou group you useless worthless piece of belly fluff, everyone hates you, even your mother wished you were never born, whats wrong with all you posters? Don't you know how to conduct yourself in a forum, you should all be ashamed of yourselves

Yes Mick thats these expats that live here, Some are haters of the local population and spill their bile about the locals, or about immigrants who have setteled and feel comfortable here, especially the race traitors who gave up their own citizenship. Then you have those with more commonsense. But lets face it, some sensationalist news is always good fodder.

[CHAON THE SAGE]

Pop Fly wrote: sit at their ivory keyboards and cast aspersions.

Close. Actually, I'm tickling the ebonies and being cast in the same pall over.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Mick, Don't you think this is a cautionary tale that many readers can benefit from? I also started it to provide a link to a support group for those so inclined. It's also news....and about one of our own. We have a thread about a man-eating croc in a far away land. This is as local as it gets.

The acrimony is unfortunate, with that I'll agree. Alas, there are lots of folks so unhappy with their lives that they have to sit at their ivory keyboards and cast aspersions. Sad, but I try to stay immune to it. I guess like giving racists leave to post their hate and expose themselves to all as the creeps they are, threads such as this expose posters for their true selves. I personally have discovered one long time poster that I'll have none of from here on in as a result of his posts herein.

As for the other thread, well....we reach a much wider audience and I figured the admin of the other site might appreciate his support group getting "The Flob Bump".

Oh Toe save Stewart Glen, you have been one of the most vitiolic posters on all the forums in Taiwan, forumosa, Taiwanho etc. Please don't try to come and show us how a known stalker who would send threats to people became the business sales ads on forumosa cause Gus is your neighbour.

I think you are hated even more than I am.

you just don't know it. Or maybe you do and just don't care. You do seem to care enough to keep reading who is posting on here about what they are doing to you. You cannot order me to remove content on this website just because they post here. Tut Tut Tut.

Here we are like wikileaks for Taiwan. Everybody comes looking for gossip and juice on everyone else, cause here there is no safety net. Tony knows that. Thats why he banned me on Taiwanease after begging me by email for 6 months to sign up. I refused. He says come on Jim it will be good for you.

Well it wasn't good. The same circle jerk friends on Tony's are right on the attack the moment I joined. Tony booted me because I postred pics of his dear passport seller Chris Churcher. Funny how similar looking he is to Tony.

By the way Stew, next Moronosa Happy hour is going to be at Mayan Grill on a Friday night. We are going to do a fundraiser for Policeman Wu. He needs a new shirt. And we have the new Moronosa VIP card. These users pay a 15 Tip on top of what they spend cause we appreciate a good host.

BLACKCRUSADER » Fri May 10, 2013 5:13 pm

Yesterday I went to Whalens on An He Road for some lunch. Place was pretty full but I got a seat.

After great food and service I tried to give a 15% tip on the bill to the waitress. Alex refused to let me do that. Anyways I managed to sneak some money into his staff tips jar.

It's such a pity when other so called expat website owners can only offer a discount card so their members can ask for a 10% discount on their 2 pieces of toast costing NT$20.

THAT IS A TRUE STORY OF FORUMOSANS AT WHALENS

[JIMIPRESLEY]

by Bunks » I think it would be good if people could suspend their desire to post on issues like this for 96 hours. It takes a lot of time for the brain to formulate how it really wants to deal with an event like the one here, where a member of the cadre gets shot in the leg for having his chickens come home to roost.

It has to be one of the most titanic of epic fuck ups and surely a lesson that boozing doesn't lead to rational decisions. Yet it must be placed within a rational framework of discourse. Drunk driving ruins lives. Cops shouldn't shoot drunks or should they? Drunks shouldn't be on scooters. The logic tree is haywire when you analyse an issue like this. End result: confusion and anger.

It's both OK to stand by him and try to help him out and it's OK to call him a cunt.

So why are you posting about it? Shouldn't you be setting a good example?