ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

[SANDMAN]

Re: Arrested in Scotland: Part 3 of the Zane Dean Saga
Postby sandman » Tue Feb 04, 2014 16:01

What is without doubt, though, is that the authorities in Scotland are taking a very dim view with regard to the safety of the Taiwan conviction, notwithstanding the bluster of the Taiwanese UK rep, who is obviously not working from the viewpoint of law but rather just mouthing the blatherings of the twats over here. We'll see what happens. Its not law any more. Its politics.

sleuth wrote:
Well the court judge has not taken a dim view of ZD's conviction. In fact he has dismissed all of ZD's claims so far. His trial meets UK & European standards. Yes we will see what happens. ZD will be spending a long time in jail. Obviously the learned scottish judge knows more about the law than you do.

Obviously. That's why he's a judge and I'm not. But I'm sorry -- you appear to mistaking me for someone who gives a shit.

[serial killer on parole]

Re: Zain Dean conviction--fatal hit & run case PART II
Postby RobinTaiwan » 20 Apr 2011, 21:42

I certainly have a few questions... but I'll ask only one, for now. the chief mentioned more than once that the surveillance recordings from the KTV were tampered with, but the footage from the KTV is still held up as admissible evidence in the ruling. What do we actually know about the debunking of the video footage from the KTV? Has it actually been established that the footage was tampered with, or is this just something Dean told his friends? In his decision, the judge mentions the timeline of the events and he uses the footage as evidence to support his decision. According to the judge, Dean had to be driving the car since the KTV employee has a verified alibi. As such, the judge comes to the conclusion that Dean is lying.

If anyone bothered to read the court transcripts the Video from the KTV was examined and claims that the video may have been tampered with were dismissed. Yes the claims were bandied about even before ZD's conviction. Lets not forget ZD claimed that he was unable to get to the video evidence to examine so how Kevin Smith claims to know the tapes were forensically examined and found to be tampered with should be questioned. Kevin Smith also claimed ZD never even drove his car that night as well, even though ZD admitted to doing so.

Notwithstanding that several other people at the KTV saw the assigned driver back at the KTV prior to the accident. So he cannot have been in two places at the same time.

So as the judge in the second trial asked ZD, if you were not driving then who was? ZD had no reply. He never accused anyone else of being the driver until after he fled Taiwan claiming also to have video evidence proving he wasn't driving. More BS from ZD and he has not released his so called video. Must have gone missing lol.

[SPAM]

But I'm sorry -- you appear to mistaking me for someone who gives a shit.

Oh, but you so obviously DO care, Sandman. From the very beginning you've admitted ZD is your personal friend and how "out of character" (as if there is a personality profile for drink driving) his actions seemed to you. You have consistently stated how sure you were of his innocence and how sure you were of Taiwanese corruption and incompetence. Now your friend's whole story is being systematically debunked in Scottish courts. You are most certainly someone "who gives a shit" about that.

I am not sure which is worse: ZD's actions or those of his supporters on Taiwan expat forums. ZD's friends undertook a deliberate campaign of posting misinformation and lies on Forumosa in order to try to turn the discussions into shows of support for him. People expressing outrage at ZD's behaviour were trolled and attacked. Posts deemed too critical of ZD were pruned, while personal attacks and threats from supporters were allowed to remain. One person predicted in 2010 that ZD would do a runner. The post was flamed, but ZD in fact DID do a runner in the end. Forumosa (cum Taiwanease) lost all credibility in its attempt to turn discussions of ZD's case into an echo chamber for his supporters.

What asses they will all look like if/when ZD winds up back here after being extradited from a western nation.

[VAIN DEAN]

Re: Arrested in Scotland: Part 3 of the Zane Dean Saga
Postby sandman » Tue Feb 04, 2014 16:01

What is without doubt, though, is that the authorities in Scotland are taking a very dim view with regard to the safety of the Taiwan conviction, notwithstanding the bluster of the Taiwanese UK rep, who is obviously not working from the viewpoint of law but rather just mouthing the blatherings of the twats over here. We'll see what happens. Its not law any more. Its politics.

sleuth wrote:
Well the court judge has not taken a dim view of ZD's conviction. In fact he has dismissed all of ZD's claims so far. His trial meets UK & European standards. Yes we will see what happens. ZD will be spending a long time in jail. Obviously the learned scottish judge knows more about the law than you do.

Obviously. That's why he's a judge and I'm not. But I'm sorry -- you appear to mistaking me for someone who gives a shit.

But Sandman you are one of my good friends and supporters who believe in my innocence. I can understand you don't give a shit about the guy that got killed or Chris Churcher, who did jail time for me, but I do hope you don't mean you don't give a shit about me anymore. Does that mean you won't come to visit me in Taiwan if I get extradited?

I know how Maoman feels.

maoman wrote: dead is dead

Re: Zain Dean conviction--fatal hit & run case PART IV
Postby Kea » 11 Jan 2014, 00:49

Taxis are so cheap. Perhaps, to ZD, life is as well. As another forum owner carelessly asserts: Dead is dead.

[BLACKCRUSADER]

I'm so glad you want me as a peer. After all I was able to write complete misinformation on the flob before regarding your case in support of you.

Re: A Personal Statement from Zain Dean
Postby the chief » 21 Jul 2010, 08:25

Latest news, and, of course, this isn't "official", that is it hasn't appeared in any of the papers, you know, like the one where the guy's being specifically labeled as having commited an act for which he has yet to be tried, but latest news is they're taking forever to go to trial because the already circumstantial evidence is so weak, no Prosecutor will touch the case, it being pretty apparent it'll get thrown out the first day.
A forensic expert has identified numerous places where the security cam tapes from the KTV were clearly tampered with, and not very skillfully, either.
Upon cursory examination, none of the KTV employee's stories matched, and were consistently contradicted by their cell phone records.
The driver kid's deposition was wildly inconsistent and apparently collapsed upon even basic follow up questioning.
More than 5 Prosecutors have passed on going to trial, and it's apparently been hot-potatoed down to like the most junior staff, like under-30s, and they don't even want it.
As always, not stating guilt or otherwise, but there cetainly isn't, as some of us discussed previously, anything even remotely like a case here.

As for dozing through the incident, I think ZD indicated that the kid pretty much had to shake him awake upon arriving near his home.

the chief wrote:
What do you know about due process? All the evidence supporting the charges against Mr. Dean is circumstantial, at best.
And a large portion of what there is has been proven to have been tampered with, anyway.
There was no evidence placing Dean at the scene of the crime.
There was no evidence that he was driving his car that night, to the contrary, in fact.
There certainly wasn't any evidence that he was driving drunk, that's why he wasn't charged with driving drunk (a "confession" here is meaningless in the absence of any other evidence; imagine if you walked into the police station tomorrow afternoon and said you wanted to confess to driving drunk the night before, and were turning yourself in, how far do you think you'd get? :loco: ).

As has been mentioned here before, the complete absence of substantiative evidence to support Mr. Dean's indictment is the reason that, after all this time, they still haven't been able to set a court date.

Any DA who prosecutes this case is going to end up losing, it's clear, and none of them want that.

Re: A Personal Statement from Zain Dean
Postby the chief » 26 Aug 2010, 15:14

It looks like the judges have reached the end of their patience and earlier this week required the prosecutors to present their body of evidence.
The prosecution's sole exhibit is a video segment showing Mr. Dean getting into the passenger side of his car and someone else, dressed as an employee, getting in the driver's side. Apparently the video isn't clear enough to identify the employee.
That is the full extent of the prosecution's evidence.
The judge has made the disclosure public, an unusual move.
More than likely to avoid criticism when he throws the case out.

An interesting side note is that the owner of the KTV, who had earlier sworn under oath that he had gone home long before the time when Mr. Dean left, can be clearly seen on the video right there all along.

FWIW, however, nobody with any (real) influence on the outcome of this case will give a monkey's how many foreigners support Mr. Dean, nor how vehement that support may be.

Well well Mr Zain Dean was in fact convicted of drunk driving. After all he admitted to it on the flob and in court. He was on video drunk driving into his apartment complex.
Part of his jail sentence comes from his drink driving conviction.

[over_active_moderator]

And a large portion of what there is has been proven to have been tampered with, anyway.

That's a porky pie so big, you have a future as a baker! No evidence was ever found to have been tampered with at all.

There was no evidence that he was driving his car that night, to the contrary, in fact.

Um, yes there was. Video was found of Dean driving the last part of the way home. He had originally claimed not to have driven at all. He was charged when video of him driving was found at his apartment complex as well as video showing the valet back at his post ahead of the time of the accident.

There certainly wasn't any evidence that he was driving drunk, that's why he wasn't charged with driving drunk (a "confession" here is meaningless in the absence of any other evidence; imagine if you walked into the police station tomorrow afternoon and said you wanted to confess to driving drunk the night before, and were turning yourself in, how far do you think you'd get? :loco: ).

He was not only charged with driving drunk, he admitted to the same. Would claiming to be passed out drunk at the time of the accident and then being caught on video driving minutes after count as evidence of a DUI?

As has been mentioned here before, the complete absence of substantiative evidence to support Mr. Dean's indictment is the reason that, after all this time, they still haven't been able to set a court date.

Boy, history has sure made an arse out of you on this one...

Any DA who prosecutes this case is going to end up losing, it's clear, and none of them want that.

Hahahaha!

FWIW, however, nobody with any (real) influence on the outcome of this case will give a monkey's how many foreigners support Mr. Dean, nor how vehement that support may be.

This is about the only thing you wrote that was actually truthful. I, for one, am thankful nobody paid any attention to the rambling lies and distortions of Dean's friends and supporters.

[MAOMAN]

How do we tell the wrongfully accused from the truly guilty? Easy. We don't. That's what the justice system is in place for. If the law says someone is not guilty, then that person must be treated as not guilty. It's the only way we can protect the innocent among us.

Guilty in the eyes of God? Well, now you're talking about sin, and that's something that we hold deep in our hearts, hidden from public view. Certainly not something for us to judge.

Well your mate Zane Dean is definitely very guilty. I am sure he won't be relishing coming back or will he. he says he loves Taiwan so much he must so happy to get a free ride back. ZD isn't the innocent among us.



Good to see that chap David Churcher did some time at least before being deported.

http://www.cna.com.tw/news/asoc/201311200408-1.aspx

http://www.cna.com.tw/news/asoc/201311200408-1.aspx

And by playing the foreigner vs. Taiwanese card, you're showing what a schmuck you are. Have you got nothing else to argue with? God, I can't believe I wasted my time on you.

[REPLICANT]

And by playing the foreigner vs. Taiwanese card, you're showing what a schmuck you are. Have you got nothing else to argue with? God, I can't believe I wasted my time on you.

It was your good friend and you are the one playing the foreigner vs Taiwanese Tony. You all claiming his conviction based on his skin colour.

[JIMIPRESLEY]

Well well Mr Zain Dean was in fact convicted of drunk driving. After all he admitted to it on the flob and in court. He was on video drunk driving into his apartment complex. Part of his jail sentence comes from his drink driving conviction.

Even if he's guilty, where's the damn compassion?

[BLACKCRUSADER]

Re: Foreigner in a Mercedes involved in hit and run
Postby Satellite TV » 01 Nov 2010, 10:50

the chief wrote:
There was no evidence that he was driving his car that night, to the contrary, in fact. There was no evidence placing Dean at the scene of the crime.

Well then Mr Dean must have been lying when he wrote that he drove the car home for the last part of the journey. Was he not in the car when the accident occured? Mr Dean may have been too drunk and asleep to have noticed the accident. After all it's not circumstantial evidence that it was his car involved and that Mr Dean had possession of the car. So one may ask, if Mr Dean was not at the scene of the crime, how was it then that he left the KTV in that car as a passenger, the accident killing another motorist occurs, yet Mr dean was back in the car near his home and was able to drive it, but he was not at the scene of the crime when it happened? After all being placed at scene doesn't make one guilty does it?

I see his statements here on forumosa aren't evidence. Plenty of people have gone to jail based on circumstantial evidence. All Mr Dean needs to show is that the KTV driver was driving at the time of the accident and Bob's your uncle. Oops.... I see now his statements here on forumosa aren't evidence

Zain Dean wrote:
When we neared the 101, the driver tried to wake me up asking, ‘where do you live, what’s your address?’ I turned around in a half-sleeply state and saw a man I didn’t recognize thus I didn’t want to give him any details of where I lived etc. I simply asked him to drop me off at the corner (Songren and Xinyi) of the street behind my house. I then got in the drivers seat (not even at this point noticing the damage on the car) and drove the last couple of hundred meters home, parked the car and somehow made it up to the house.

Now the police may not have charged Mr Dean for drunk driving, but Mr Dean himself said he was too drunk to drive home so asked the KTV for a driver. But did he in a drunken and half sleepy state drive the car that night? His own statements suggest that he did so, but after the accident had occured.

Re: Foreigner in a Mercedes involved in hit and run
Postby the chief » 01 Nov 2010, 11:07

Satellite TV wrote:

the chief wrote: There was no evidence that he was driving his car that night, to the contrary, in fact.

Well then Mr Dean must have been lying when he wrote that he drove the car home for the last part of the journey.

Oops.... I see now his statements here on forumosa aren't evidence.


First of all, that's right, since he isn't confessing to the charges as indicted.
However, and I'll go slow here for you, simply driving his car that night is unrelated to any of the charges.
He's being charged with Vehicular Manslaughter, in the death of the scooter driver, and Leaving the Scene of an Accident.
And there is no evidence to support him performing any of those acts.
Him driving the last 100 yards to his parking garage is immaterial to any of the charges.