ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby VAIN DEAN » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:50 am

have been away for awhile attempting to get some semblance of order back into my life.

Yes, I did say I took David's passport without his consent, but actually I did have his consent. I was asked by several mutual friends to say that I had stolen it to protect David, as that is what David was pleading at the outset. Even though it wasn't the case, I wanted to do whatever I could to help him at that point. I was asked to make the statement public and that's what I did. Later it turned out that he'd decided to plead guilty. It doesn't help my public standing, or whatever, but that's the least of my concerns at this point. The main point I am out free he's in jail woo hoo

I am also curious to see the massive police effort to track me down and find accomplices, etc. after I leave the country. This is a stark difference to the 26 months of my court case, where there was zero investigation. At the very beginning, the police turned me over to the media mob within an hour of the KTV manager coming to the Da'an police station. At that time, there hadn't even been any look at videos, evidence, etc. It's just that simple. The whole direction of the case was decided at that point onwards. There was no investigation, no hearings, no evidence, no defence, nothing. Just a nod and chat between the head of the police station and the manager from the KTV. And then I became "it". Once the media had run the story of me being this and that and the other, then it all snowballed after that. There was no going back after that moment.

Actually Taiwan is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, where it states; Article 75 - 4(d) Anyone charged with an offence is presumed innocent until proved guilt according to law.
If a police officer 'investigates' a crime by talking to the KTV management for a few minutes over tea, how is that following due process? All the way I have been fighting to prove my innocence and the judges and prosecutors and police haven't contributed anything except a constant worry for what the media had to say on the proceedings.

Yes, the KTV nightclub is an illegal mob run hostess bar that I had the misfortune to go and get involved in. I made a mistake in going there and getting involved with those people. This whole situation wouldn't have happened if I had stayed away. So in a way, I brought these circumstances onto myself.

Yes there was some more investigation: The judge in the appeal court spent some time investigating 'my true nationality'. Apparently he wasn't happy with my reply that I was British. "Yes, but where are you from?" Britain I replied. "Yes but where where you born?" UK I replied. This answer seemed to confuse him. I never saw this judge again until the last hearing when he dozed off during our closing defence arguments.

In the same way some people in the West think that all Chinese people still wear bamboo hats and baggy Moaist clothing, a lot of Taiwanese think all British people are white with top hats and long coats. It shouldn't matter what country I am from, what colour I am. But it does in Taiwan. However, for those expats who've been in Taiwan for awhile will know that the Taiwanese are a bit racist and xenophobic. Hence, the police at the court room on the day of my very first court hearing, " ... they [the crowd] are excited because they hardly ever get a black man in court ...", this as they forced me back out onto the street, to go run the gamut of the mob again.

I also have noticed some pretty smart people on this forum doing an excellent job of investigating the facts of this case. Oh I wish I'd had the benefits of your abilities earlier ... it might have been helpful to go the route of having more foreign support during this case as some did suggest to me. Others suggest I don't anger the judges. It wasn't easy to decide what do to. Give the judges face or be "western" and demand due process, facts, laws, etc.

And no, I didn't run someone over and leave them to die. When I left the KTV I was drunk and asked for a driver. The reason I asked for a driver was because I was drunk and didn't want to drive. If I didn't want a driver I wouldn't have asked for one. We had been at another KTV previously that same evening before coming to Ming Hung KTV and I had asked for a driver then as well.

I do have video and stills showing the driver of the car who took me home was not the one 'that returns 6 minutes later'. These were already shown in court, however, no seemed to be interested on the bench ... Pretty much anything the KTV staff said in court was gospel and whatever I did to show my innocence was 'inconclusive'.

However, there were camera's all over the intersection where the KTV driver alleges he did a U-turn and go back to his work, but none of these cameras were working on the night? (police report, 20+ months after the event stated 'out of order'). No, nothing working on the night, except in the first trial the cops produce a bunch of photographs that they staged showing a black car pulling over to the side and a guy walking back ... when my lawyer had the photo enlarged, we see it's a black Camry, not Mercedes. So I ask the judges in front of a full court house of witnesses, 'why are these photos being admitted as evidence, they are clearly fake and misleading', to which the judge replies, '... they are just there for 'reference' ". No, that's someone at the Da'an police station using some creative license and staging evidence. It goes on and on.

It's been a pretty one sided affair all the way through. As I said, it all started at the first night at the Da'an police station. The 'investigation' lasted a few minutes. The media were called in. That was it. The rest of the 26 months have been window dressing, no further investigation was done.

I am just glad I was able to get hold of the video footage 20 months after the trial started so that at least I would have in my own possession the facts to prove the the KTV alibi as being false, and clearly showing me getting in on the passenger seat, with the driver as I had requested. I had originally planned on showing this to the media, and did initially release one part. No one covered it seriously ... Apple Daily did do a little to cover my side of the story, most of the other reporters didn't even look at the material. Anyway, it's a hard slog working with the media when they are so biased to start off with.

So, I have contacted the Taiwan foreign office to see what can be done going forward. They have explained to me that a 'special retrial' can be done, and evidence looked at again, especially if something was omitted or overlooked in the previous trials. I am conflicted on how to proceed. I want to clear my name, but don't want to be tricked into being pushed into jail without a fair trial. They say they would redo the trial based on the correct observance of law and impartial review of evidence, but how can I trust them?

Plus, importantly, someone has to pay compensation to the family of Hwang, the motorcyclist who died. My suggestion to the foreign office is to seek some sort of monetary compensation from the KTV. As per a typical Taiwan criminal case, if the civil settlement hasn't been decided, then the criminal settlement is not likely to be fairly decided either. So far 1.6m NTD has been paid by the insurance company but another 5m + is required for the settlement.

All in all, it'd just be easier for the courts if I went to jail and that was the end of it. This is the main reason why I decided to leave, as I knew talking to them whilst I was at their mercy wasn't getting anywhere.
However, there is one thing I do still believe in, and that is Chris and my GF who are on the whole decent, well meaning, industrious, and friendly. I will miss their generosity of spirit, and their willingness to take it up the arse and do jail time for me. 16 November 1971 is my birthday please do send me presents
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby REPLICANT » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:16 am

VAIN DEAN wrote:have been away for awhile attempting to get some semblance of order back into my life.

Yes, I did say I took David's passport without his consent, but actually I did have his consent. I was asked by several mutual friends to say that I had stolen it to protect David, as that is what David was pleading at the outset. Even though it wasn't the case, I wanted to do whatever I could to help him at that point. All in all, it'd just be easier for the courts if I went to jail and that was the end of it. This is the main reason why I decided to leave, as I knew talking to them whilst I was at their mercy wasn't getting anywhere.


Bah Humbug I say. You took advantage of a destitute guy who was stupid enough to help you. Secondly why are you calling him "david" when we all know his real name to be Chris. You want to help him? I think you want to help yourself and screw the rest. An innocent person would rather go to jail than leave their friends to do their jail time for them. Now your friends will join you in having committed criminal acts. Your lies just get you into more trouble. You have lied in your interviews to the media so why should we believe anything you say. So now you have video!!!! Where was it before? You claim you believe the ktv video to be fake but the court judge had the one hour file reviewed and they weren't hacked as you claimed.

Again you never address the issue, if you were so drunk and passed out how do you really know where you were when you changed seats with the ktv driver. You really expect us to believe that ktv driver had an accident like that and continued to drive you home? Please get a grip on yourself. You refused to tell him your address and drove home yourself. You can't recall anything except to say someone else was driving

You have other outstanding criminal convictions here. We know you won't come back to face those either. You ran like the true coward you are.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby THE HULK » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:15 am

Zain is out of Taiwan. Chris is in jail already and will stay there for a long time no matter what. I don't Zain cares.

Zain, I have a question for you. How do you feel about putting a friend or 2 in jail for most likely several years?

Even if offered the same option, I would refuse. Why ruin the lives of 2 more?
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby JIMIPRESLEY » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:19 am

How sublimely, articulately polemical of you! Well played, Sir!

Considering that that fine gentleman has NEVER tried to defend Dean; has merely brought into question the biased legal procedure, you should perchance be more cautious as to where you flippantly fling that "criminal" moniker. Maybe a more self-reflexive approach?

ZD I hear you are getting your fingernails done, your hair permed and your cheeks changed yet again to avoid facial recognition. I'll be raising funds for your next get out of jail trip. IT doesnt matter if you are guilty you were treated badly by a corrupt system here.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby FUNKYMONKEY » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:22 am

Thank God for some level headed reason Mr Hulk. He is a proven criminal and anyone trying to defend him is an absolute idiot. I feel so sorry for the Huang family. They will never receive justice.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby REPLICANT » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:32 am

Zain Dean doesn't know who was driving at the time of the accident, he only claims it must have been someone else because he cannot remember anything about the accident and he has a big problem in that the video evidence and witnesses who confirm the driver sent to drive ZD home was back at the KYV prior to the accident.

He has never been able to acount for that until now he says he has video evidence and stills? From where did this "evidence" come from and why wasnt it presented to the courts before. ZD come back and bring your evidence before the courts. To bad you would probably face even more criminal charges if you did and an even longer jail term if you were convicted yet again.

You had as mcuh to do with your onw conviction by choosing a celebrity lawyer who himself was convicted for practising without a license. And I thought the KTV mobsters were bad, you put them to shame with your own inept defense. You are the one making the accusations and none of them were help up. The court transcripts clearly show this.

VAIN DEAN wrote:Actually Taiwan is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, where it states; Article 75 - 4(d) Anyone charged with an offence is presumed innocent until proved guilt according to law.


Yes and you were out on bail a free man even after being convicted. You were found GUILTY in a court of law. Charged and found guilty not once but twice. Now your friend Chris you setup to do time for you. Did you really think nothing would happen to him when you conspired with him to commit further crimes? Did you really think he would get off scot free? Or your girfriend Ms Du who will liley be convicted and sentenced to jail. She does jail you won't be able to sponser her to immigrate to the UK and you just leave her to face the music on your behalf. A man hiding behind the skirts of a helpess woman too stupid not to know you would fuck her over to save your own skin. Oh well never mind she's a great friend.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby DIVEA DIVYA NARANG » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:47 pm

THE BIG FAT CHIEF wrote:Again, the prosecution was unable to provide any evidence whatsoever to prove that ZD was ever at the wheel after leaving the KTV.

Zain dean wasnt even in the car when the accident happened.


so y your account it could be anyone driving the car................I am all for extending my compassion to the KTV guy who has his life ruined if he is still working there and is accused of killing someone while driving a drunk guy home, and his life is ruined if he has to disappear conveniently too. He needs our support, because each one of us have scarred someone for life according to jimipresley.

OK, a family is mourning a death, but for humanity's sake we should not condemn Mr. Dean for getting soooo drunk that he could not say 'Taxi' and for being irresponsible enough to take the wheel from the KTV driver because he did not want to tell a stranger about his whereabouts. Not to mention getting up in the middle of the night to drive to a KTV for the sole purpose of drinking and playing fiddle with hostesses and,ahem discussing business. Oh these horrible local businessmen, getting others drunk!! Those horrible KTV workers, who can't drive a Merc. in the middle of the night. The horrid police that blames the merc owner who was caught on video driving home after he told the police he didnt drive at all. And of course the lynching intranets mob with their torches ablaze ready to castrate a guy who had a smashed up car and decided not to find out why?

We should stop being vultures and stop pointing fingers at the KTV guy or the merc owner. The dead man's gone man!! Why inconvenience the ones who survived?

Yes, humanity has gone to the dogs. A man's life is ruined, maybe a family too but for sure it is not Mr. Dean's who had lfed and willingly let 2 other people suffer the consequences for it, and gets applauded for it by other expats in Taiwan who hva eno respect for the law not matter what country they happen to live in.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby tainancowboy » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:08 pm

We should stop being vultures and stop pointing fingers at the KTV guy or the merc owner. The dead man's gone man!! Why inconvenience the ones who survived?



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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby KTVDRIVER » Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:09 pm

It's getting beyond a joke now, and Forumosa is sullying what reputation it has left by playing host to pathological lying by this classic sociopath personality type.

There is absolutely no concern for the victims, or the people he seeks to victimise in order to avoid responsibility for his crime. It's a supreme insult that he references the people he harmed, as if he gives a shit about them. Maybe he should send his dole cheques from the UK to them, then?


He's let this get out of hand, and become much more serious than it ever needed to be. If he had accepted the first verdict, he would have been out within a year (which would have meant nowish, or very soon). If he had shown remorse, and attempted to apologise and compensate the victim's family, he may not even have received the sentence he got in the first place. But now, he's fled, perverted justice, left his friends to face indefinite detention and criminal charges. What a guy!

He better never think of taking a holiday. Interpol can be a bitch sometimes.
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Re: ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

Postby REPLICANT » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:06 pm

The police have shots of ZDF's car going along Chung Hsiao East Road Section 4 with only one person in the car. It was too dark to identify that one person in the car.

So as only one person in the car and the KTV driver back at the KTV, who was driving the car then? That was just before the accident took place.

There was no one slouched over in the front passenger seat.
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