ZAIN DEAN CONVICTED KILLER ON THE LAM

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I agree that most likely Dean doesn't recall anything or is lying about that. And yet the timeline for establishing the location of the KTV driver was critical and was never nailed down properly, and the police seemed to completely depend on evidence from an interested party (the KTV employer, driver colleagues and customers) because the police and the media had 'their man' already. This leaves room for doubt where it would have been better if none existed.

Its funny to see people say I have no proof that the KTV customers were drunk and yet it is case closed for Dean.

The point here is how do we know the customers were drinking or not? Isn't it most likely that they were drinking? Did nobody ask these questions, why not? How did they recall accurately what time they left the KTV and saw the driver? And I still haven't seen where the KTV video tape timeline was nailed down with other evidence such as phone calls on tape?

This stuff matters because if the timeline is off by just a few minutes the whole case against Dean falls apart. It becomes one persons word against another. The way the system works in Taiwan is that you must convict somebody so the victims family can receive compensation, there is huge pressure on the courts to convict in a case such as this.

It's getting boring restating arguments, I agree that Dean is the most likely culprit being rip roaring drunk and unable to recall anything, but the process and assumptions involved leave a lot to be desired and doubt still remains, it's the difference between being 70% certain and 99% certain. It leaves room for a miscarriage of justice to occur where no room should be left.

[FUNKYMONKEY]

He is a proven criminal and anyone trying to defend him is an absolute idiot.

Re: Zain Dean conviction--fatal hit & run case PART III
by hsinhai78 » 05 Mar 2013, 23:35

Just to give you a little insight in the work of the Metropolitan, Traffic and Foreign Affairs police, I'll share with you what happened to me today.

I was driving on HuanHe BeiLu Section 1, as traffic suddenly slowed down, I was quick enough with the brakes, the guy on the scooter behind me wasn't. He bumped into my rear and tried to do a runner. I chased him for about 150m, pulled my car to the side of the road in front of him, forced him to stop. I then called the police. It took them 5 minutes to arrive: one car from the traffic police, two scooters from Taipei metropolitan police as well as one officer on a scooter from the FAP.

The guy on the scooter who hit my car was obviously overwhelmed by the number of officers. The police thoroughly checked his papers and asked whether he was under the influence. A short look on my papers satisfied the officers, neither did they ask me if I had been drinking. That was before they had asked for any statement regarding the accident.

The police took many photos, made a sketch of the accident, recorded our statements and the FAP officer made sure I understand everything despite my Chinese being not bad. Still, he made sure everything was being translated on the spot in (hand)writing.

The police was quickly satisfied that the local Taiwanese was at fault and not me since the damage is on the rear of the car. The Taiwanese guy also acknowledged he was at fault and didn't keep a safe distance from me. I also have an in-car camera but did not need to provide the footage as the Taiwanese scooter driver did not say anything different from what I told the police.

The damage is not big, but exceeds 30,000 NT$. Do I care if Lexus charges high sums for a bumper? Not if I don't have to pay and want the job to be done well. My car is already at the Lexus dealership and the guy on his scooter paid, no complaints or quarrels.

Did the police assume I, the foreigner is at fault? No.
Did the police try to trick me into signing stuff I don't understand? No.
Did the police follow the logic of "Had the foreigner not been in Taiwan, this all could have been avoided"? No.

And while the police suggested me not to press charges against the guy on the scooter for trying to escape the scene of an accident, they didn't do that so the Taiwanese guy gets away unpunished. In fact it made getting my car fixed much easier: rather than having to sue a guy and embark on a lengthy court battle to receive compensation just so I can have my little revenge, the guy apologized, paid and I have my car back on Thursday.

Now why do I tell this story here in yet another Zain Dean thread?

Simple: there is no police conspiracy in Taiwan to make sure the local gets away while the foreigner has to pay up. In my *personal* experience that I had with various departments of the police today, I can only say these people were courteous, professional and did in no way favor me or the Taiwanese guy. The experience I today had was not any different from my home country.

I just don't buy Mr. Dean's story of endless conspiracy, discrimination and prejudice. Sorry.

[WHOLE LOTTA BOTTLE]

Dean should just give himself up. He is only making things worse on himself. He will have to spend the rest of his life on the run.

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Dean should just give himself up. He is only making things worse on himself. He will have to spend the rest of his life on the run.

We all know its highly possible Dean was behind the wheel, and he is lying or has no clue as to what happened, but the prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt this fact. They could have made a proper stab at it, but didn't. Why?

Relying on the side of the only other possible suspects for almost the entire evidence bag is asking for a huge heap of trouble. How did this happen and why is it acceptable?

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Dean should just give himself up. He is only making things worse on himself. He will have to spend the rest of his life on the run.

We all know its highly possible Dean was behind the wheel, and he is lying or has no clue as to what happened, but the prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt this fact. They could have made a proper stab at it, but didn't. Why?

Relying on the side of the only other possible suspects for almost the entire evidence bag is asking for a huge heap of trouble. How did this happen and why is it acceptable?

The other possible suspects were interviewed at length and had credible alibis, firstly being on video, and by being with other staff and other witnesses who placed the KTV Driver back at work before the accident happened. Whereas a drunken can barely walk I don't remember any accident ZD, has no alibi and no witnesses to back up his claims. Not only that in another criminal matter here ZD left the country, changed his name and came back with a new passport to avoid his other criminal and civil lawsuits. You wan't me to trust his words over that of the KTV Driver who admitted driving the car before the accident happened?

[OMNI]

If Dean has any conscience, he must be finding it hard to sleep soundly at night. If he has any conscience.

I don’t feel much pity for David. He must have understood the gravity of what he was doing, and that it would much more likely than not land him in a right royal mess. He deserves all that he’s got coming to him.

But the one I feel sorry for is the girlfriend/”wife”. We can all understand why she did what she did, but it’s hard to understand how Dean could have let her do it and then leave her here to face the music. The only doubt is whether she came up with the idea and insisted on it, or whether he planned it and cajoled or threatened her into doing his bidding. But whichever way it was, she’s going to have to take the rap for Dean, and is almost certain to be slapped with a heavy sentence.

The only honourable thing for Dean to do now is come back and do his best to exculpate his girlfriend. If he gives himself up to take his due punishment, and pleads on his girlfriend’s behalf that he forced her to do what she did (by threatening to dump her if she didn’t, by demanding it as proof of her devotion, by promising to marry her if she did it, or whatever – he should easily be able to come up with a convincing cock-and-bull story if the actual facts aren’t persuasive enough and need a bit of embroidering, since he’s evidently quite a master of spin), then the judge might well be persuaded to be lenient toward her, and she may even escape a custodial sentence. It’s quite likely that the prosecutors are working along this line, urging her to try to persuade him to come back and promising to seek a much lighter sentence for her if she succeeds in doing so.

If he has an ounce of honour in him, that’s what he should do. But will he do it? Judging from his record to date, I’ll be very surprised indeed if he does.

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David is his middle name. Maybe he can change it to David the passports seller. ACtually even once Chris is deported to the UK he may face criminal charges there. Also he could be barred from ever having a UK passport again.

"Taipei prosecutors also indicted Dean's Taiwanese girlfriend Tung Yu-chi and his British friend Christopher David Churcher on the same two charges and an additional charge of harboring a fugitive, alleging that the pair had helped Dean flee Taiwan last August."

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201303140029.aspx

I would hope they give Chris and Ms Tung the maximum penalty and make some of the expats who seem to think the laws of Taiwan do not apply to them are enforced.

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As brought up already, you need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt in Taiwan. Is there not reasonable doubt in this case? The judge also ordered that no more appeals were to be allowed.

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As brought up already, you need to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt in Taiwan. Is there not reasonable doubt in this case? The judge also ordered that no more appeals were to be allowed.

You are incorrect on both claims. The judges only need accept the preponderance of evidence, which is a lesser standard than reasonable doubt.

Secondly Zain Dean can appeal the hit and run causing death conviction only. Not the other charges he was found guilty of.

Please bear in mind he has multiple criminal convictions that he was also due to serve time for.

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Oh look I am in the press again. Too bad my cover story about using "Davids" passport without his consent got blown. Again I tell you it wasn't me driving the car when the accident happened. I don't remember the accident so it can't have been me.

"Chris David Churcher" and my GF both sung to the cops like fucking canaries and ratted me out.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ ... 2003561675


That's like your story that you said you used Christophers passport without his consent. You story changes so many times then you want people to believe your next BS story.

Your GF and Christopher deserve the maximum sentences they can be given. I am sure you will sit their laughing at their plight.